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In Reply to: RE: You should read this... posted by sjb on October 12, 2007 at 10:04:21
""In the fall of 2005, Krakauer and the McCandless family finally signed off on Penn's plans for a movie (the film hits theaters September 21), in part because of his pledge to stick so closely to the true story."
Now to you, "signed off" probably doesn't match PERFECTLY with final approval but to most people, I think, it does.
No, I haven't seen the film but I think I could muster a tad more sympathy for young guys dying in Iraq, starving in Africa, risking their lives in Red Cross missions in Darfur, or being shot in ghettos across our richest-on-the-planet country.
The guy died because either he was suicidal or he fucked up while camping where his ego shouldn't have led him. Sob, sniff.
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The problem with that viewpoint is that you are placing a judgment 'value' on a young man's life. They tried that in England for centuries, it was called the 'class system'. Everybody has to find their way, regardless of their background-even rich kids.
You can have empathy for the young men & women dying in the sandbox and elsewhere in service to this country, while at the same time have empathy for a lost young man who came from a rich family. Any boy/young man that is so lost and self-indulgent that he recklessly forfeits his life is a cause to examine our very social structure-just like your example of a young man dying face down in the ghetto, in a pool of his own blood. They are all a tragic waste of an amazing resource-youth. Indeed, we're a nation of resources, we admire youth & beauty above all else and yet their voices are lost amongst us. It's a double standard of tragic proportion.
Maybe if the 'rich kid' had survived and gained from the wealth of his life experiences (or had an older mentor), he could have grown up humble enough to give back tirelessly-perhaps with the resources his family had. To imply that he was just a rich kid and deserved what he got is just self-serving and petty.
Kevin
It's not.The fact that SP had the decency and respect to get the family's blessing (not to mention that it was one of JK's requirements before signing over the rights of the book... to anyone) - and that he sought their participation - isn't the same thing as their having final approval. In fact there's a good chance SP didn't have final approval... it may well have been some suit at Paramount Vantage - fed by focus group info - did.
As for..."Penn felt he needed their blessing which a guy like Herzog, a far more accomplished film maker, never did in his many documentaries." Says who?
You don't think he had Denglers "approval" or that he didn't seek to get the blessing and participation of the friends and family of Grizzly Man before embarking on those projects?
Also the movie, for me at least, wasn't about having sympathy for the guy... it was about relating to the spirit of someone who felt so strongly abut communing with nature.
"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
seeking approval I also take issue with: he's got too much integrity. Seeking approval and having a family decide to participate w/out approval authority are different. Very.
It remains hard for me to gather a lot of interest in this "kid" who actually was a twenty-something man at the time of his rather silly death. Hell, he graduated from Emory, right?
Anyhow, I'll see it, as earlier noted, if for no other reason than to see if Penn actually has learned anything in his latest vanity project.
I wish he and DeNiro would stay in front of the camera and quit wasting our time behind it.
Okay, so you apparently believe their participation has probably watered down the telling of the story. As a fan of the book and now a fan of the movie I don't believe it did... or if it did, it didn't negatively effect the films impact on me.
One thing's for sure... SP didn't invent girlfriends or love stories or rescue attempts or reams of dialogue that were pure specualtion... or make the parents heroic or evil, etc., etc. As Clark noted there are a few minutes of the film that are a bit too epic (and yet his was, in its way, an epic journey in regards to the sights he saw and the experiences he had) but for me that was easily forgiven for getting the feeling so right.
As a side note... that you - without reading the book or seeing the film - have turned the fact that the family was involved (which was a prerequisite to get the rights of the book) into a lack of integrity on SP's part is just weird.
"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
fairly famous people. Several times, I was asked, previous to the interview, if I'd allow the subject or his minion to view the article before publication.
Each time, I told them, firmly, "no."
That's the way I was trained by a grizzled, old news editor.
I'd apply the same high standards to "art."
Don't put words in my mouth, please. I am not familiar with Penn's integrity.
About putting "words in your mouth"... you said flat out that Herzog has too much integrity to get the kind of permissionn/blessings/"approval" that Penn did.
It sure seems that by default you're saying SP was somehow lacking in that integrity.
I still think that's weird (as is the idea that you know what Herzog has or hasn't done in that regard) but the weirdest thing is you're saying that you think art should be held to journalistic standards.
Anyway... it's a silly argument... and even with all the biases your piling up against it I'll be curious to hear what you think of the film.
"You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do."
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