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In Reply to: RE: Because she killed her children? posted by patrickU on December 30, 2007 at 12:40:07
please follow her lead and do likeise.
Follow Ups:
Now tell me, what did you get wrong in my post?
The frontiers between courage and cowardice?
That must be it.
But did you go that far...
a real thread of Nazism in your earlier post. Reread it. I AM CERTAIN it is a language\translation problem
If there is one thing that nobody could argue against me is that I am making any king of apology of anyform of nazism.
You should now that.
But with human you have sometime to start from scratch.
I reread and I meant that you have to be cold blooded to act the way she did.
It was, as I wrote above fanatism but she also had the gut to live it until the end.
SH did not.
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Well if you have to elaborate evereytime with old acquantaince, what work you will have to do with strangers...
twisted "courage" in her act but it's dwarfed by the incredible savagery, brutality, and inhumanity of killing her own children.
Think of that for a moment.
To cold-bloodedly kill not just one but ALL of your young children.
That isn't courage in any sense with which I am familiar.
Single-minded fanaticism, yes.
The cruelest, meanest crime of which humans are capable, yes.
This parsing of a virtue to somehow include one of history's greatest monsters (Hitler did many things but never to his own family by his own hand) is disturbing.
Some clever arguments are better kept away from truly horrific subjects.
I suppose killing people in gas ovens is somehow to be lauded, too, for its wonderful efficiency?
Of course.
But you mean a kind of auto censorship is welcome.
Mostly you are right.
But I felt for once not to stick at.
Between consenting...adult...
merely were exercising in the tradition of Monsieur Descartes.
Would have really hurt...
Now, beyond Descartes it is merely a transfer of feeling.
I mean tying to get in the boots of Magda...
You who are against death penalty should know better...
I must see this film.
Nah, saying your enemy is insane lets him off the moral hook. I accept that bad people are capable of courage.I've read that Frau Goebbels was intelligent and sophisticated and her husband was one of the more realistic Nazis, not that he was in favor of other Germans being realistic. I have no trouble beleiving that, afterall plenty of the bad guys in American history were intelligent and sophisticated.
Of course I don't think our bad guys were as bad as the German's bad guys but the point is valid.
Well she did have courage. Hell, if nothing else Germans have balls.
I donīt see any reason to categorize Germans with courage.
A cliche.
They just are like all the rest of us.
No more no less.
They just had an education for many years, who catrated their will, hence the horror they could later produce.
"I donīt see any reason to categorize Germans with courage."
I do.
"They just are like all the rest of us."
There is no "all the rest of us". Cultures that prize courage and militarism can turn out more brave and militaristic people than cultures that don't prize those characteristics. Extreme examples would be Sparta and Zululand.
Culture, of course influence the people who are basically all the same everywhere.
Well now Modern time Germany is the culture that absolutely not encourage any militarism!
But on the contrary! And how.
And as for courage, Mrs. Merkel just stated for her New Year speech that German should stop living in a culture of look away ( no courage ) and start for a culture of " seing ".
Praise? No acknowledge.
To kill in cold blood your own children you need a certain dose of brutal " courage ".
Did I put the clock right?
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