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That the ultra high technology equipment was dirty, dented, and malfunctioning. This brought a sense of reality and relationship to the future that really endeared it to us all.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
but it made him wealthy. Ray
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
The first two were both decent.
The more recent 3 films (outrageously titled parts 1-3) were downright painful! Natalie Portman and that dolt who played young darth vader had the charisma of a toad and the chemistry of a somnambulist convention.
movies are equated with things like pin ball amusement, video games and pro wrestling. I agree with Victor. Before Lucas and others like him, we were treated occasionally to a film of some substance. Now, most movies are made for adolescent minds. At one time film was even considered possibly an art form. Now I'm not so sure! Maybe we should bring back the Roman gladiator fights to the death. It is a sign of our decadence. Ray Hughes
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
Whether you or Victor recognize it or not.
For the life of me I can't see why our children are served up a regular diet of violence in the name of entertainment. A story in which an orphan living with relatives (who is also culturally deprived)learns that his birth father(Darth Vader) is the epitome of evil. That's right up there with cheap Disney popular culture, John Wayne and apple pie. Maybe the culture of America is the culture of WAR and VIOLENCE. Is that the only thing Americans do well; fight wars? We have to raise the next generation of warriors where we can send them to some hell hole and fight a war of attrition where some Wall Street companies can make a profit? Yes, they do need to know that there is evil in the world, but I don't know if a movie or commericial television is the place to teach them that.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
"A story in which an orphan living with relatives (who is also culturally deprived)learns that his birth father(Darth Vader) is the epitome of evil."
ever see Hamlet? MacBeth? Oh and by the way, He doesn't learn that his father is the epitome of evil in Star Wars. not to throw facts in your face or anything but...
"That's right up there with cheap Disney popular culture, John Wayne and apple pie. Maybe the culture of America is the culture of WAR and VIOLENCE. Is that the only thing Americans do well; fight wars? We have to raise the next generation of warriors where we can send them to some hell hole and fight a war of attrition where some Wall Street companies can make a profit?"
yeah right, it's an American thing. You won't find anything violent in the literature and theater of any other country will you?
"We have to raise the next generation of warriors where we can send them to some hell hole and fight a war of attrition where some Wall Street companies can make a profit?'
No doubt that was exactly what Lucas had in mind when he was developing Star Wars.
"Yes, they do need to know that there is evil in the world, but I don't know if a movie or commericial television is the place to teach them that."
And this has what to do with Star Wars? Did you even see the movie?
is like comparing the dome of St. Peters or the Pantheon to a plastic pepper pot made in a sweat shop. Shakespeare, the Pantheon and St. Peters are true art. STAR WARS is pin ball amusement made to make money.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
I never compared the *script* of Star wars to Shakespeare.You bemoaned a very basic plot element. I merely pointed out that you can find the same sort of thing in the classics.If this is any indication of how well you get things it's no wonder Star Wars went over your head. Now go back and address what I actually said if you are up to the task.
God there is nothing more boring than a pretentious snob who doesn't know jack about the subject.
Edits: 08/25/10
EVERY movie is made to make money, no? Are we not discussing the movie business? Let's be a bit real here.
Degrading somebody ("Yes, If you have a 3 minute attention span" "Yes, for a culturally deprived 10 year old!") because they like a certain type of movie is elitist and immature IMO. To each their own.
I'm 62 years old. At one time movies were a great passion in my life. I studied cinema in college and graduate school and worked as a producer of films for the medical industry. But Hollywood doesn't make movies for my age group any longer. Personally I long and yearn for the David Lean type of film and I think his three late films represent production values that have never been duplicated. Mr. Lucas has been very successful and I can't argue with his success. But I don't like plot lines that are at a fever pitch straight level line the entire 2 hour stretch. I like peaks and valleys in plot lines of movies. I don't like gratuatous violence and I think some things should never be shown. I like intelligent thought provoking dialog for an adult, something I haven't seen in a film for a long time now. Cinematography which I once had a passion for is now SLOPPY. I like everything in focus. Now most films are shot with a depth of field barely of a few inches with avaliable light. I'm sick and tired of every shot from a STEADYCAM sled doing 360 degree piroettes around an actor ad nauseum. This device now is grossly over used. Sound which used to be in 6 track stereo Cinerams is now presented in mono sound on a no larger screen than a bed sheet in a maxi cinema per square cubicle with a center isle in a shopping mall. Someone tall can sit in front of you who smokes and there is that odor of ground in pop corn and spilled coke and now bed bugs in the seat. I'll wait for it to come out of DVD.
The chances of a professional wrestler or a weight lifter becoming a Hollywood film maker is greater than anyone who studied film at NYU or USC.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
"I studied cinema in college and graduate school and worked as a producer of films for the medical industry."
Jeez why didn't you say so in the first place? Had I known you were one of thousands of failed film makers out of film school.....it explains everything.
Judging from your other posts in these forums, it seems that your juvenile mind can't comprehend the fact that STAR WARS is not a great film. About the only noteworthy thing about it is John Dykstra's motion control special effects and very good model making. It is a good children's movie. I took my 6 and 10 year old boys to see it when it first came out and they enjoyed it and went straight out and bought several miniature dolls to play with in their sand box. The 10 year old is now a lawyer in Boston, the 6 year old is now a major in the Air Force and flies C-130s in Afghanistan and my daughter is a Vet. I've taught college courses in television production and media for the last 25 years and tried to equip young minds for the professional media. I don't think you want to discuss cinema with me. So why don't you go get your OB1 Kenoby doll and maybe your Darth Vader doll and go to your sandbox and play. If that doesn't work then try sitting on your haunches contemplating your navel like a good little monkey.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
You know what they say...Those who can't, teach.
"I don't think you want to discuss cinema with me."
If all ya got is dumb ass insults you would be right. Show me a little substance and we can talk "cinema." So far all I see is pretentious posturing.
Failed/wannabe film makers who turn into pompous armchair critics with nothing other than the ability to regurgitate the same crap they were fed in some college class on "cinema" and piss all over other peoples' successes in the film business are a dime a dozen.
Your mischaracterizations of Star Wars, your failure to discriminate between your personal tastes and objective measures of cinematic excellence, your broad brush strokes used to paint the evils of "Hollywood" all in tandem with your failure to offer anything in the way of a critique of substance on Star Wars demonstrates all the earmarks of a pompous twit standing on a soapbox in his birthday suit, fully exposed.
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Guess I struck a nerve
teach. Teaching requires dedication and sacrifice; two things that obviously are foreign to your sensibilities.
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
Thanks for proving my point.....teacher LOL
And I am only 60... :)
I too hate that in-fashion jumping camera.
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Stupidity is NOT a victimless crime.
...Steven Bender, and immediately thought of you! He is apparently one hell of a shooter!
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I wouldn't blame Star Wars for the state of current day Hollywood, however. There has been a tragically increasing emphasis on production over substance for decades. I'm not so sure Star Wars started it. The original Star Wars was head and shoulder above the modern day crap.
People in Hollywood are sheep and scared sheep at that. They will not go out on a limb for a new idea or a commodity which may not have a chance to be a blockbuster. They go with proven commodities -- stars, production, marketing. It's a sad state of affairs. No one is more disappointed and disgusted about the mind numbing, eye glazing, head ache inducing smash-cut crap that is being churned out according to demographic profiles than I!
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The first two Star Wars movies were enjoyable escapist entertainment. They made no pretense of being anything more than that, but accomplished that goal extremely well. It was only with the third "film" (Or was it a toy commercial?) that the wheels fell off.
Not every film can be a dreary 4 hour black and white subtitled slice of life drama from Finland. Sometimes you just want to be entertained.
..."special effects". They would not watch films without them.
You might say that if it wasn't SW, some other film would have done that... but that doesn't make the SW less guilty.
;O)
The Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake, et al.
These were the first really big special effects blockbusters, where visual effects so completely trumped any mundane considerations such as plot or characterization. Star Wars didn't start it.
Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and Star Trek: The Motion Picture are probably what killed the disaster genre almost for good (until Titanic brought it back and gave as The Perfect Storm, Twister, Deep Impact, Armegeddon, etc.). Can't you at least give Star Wars some credit for doing that?
dissecting the film industry and society in general. There's definitely not much that will live up to your many preconceptions and rules! I pity your wife, if you have one.
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
But she was busy and the role went to that totally sexless creature, killing the film.
It could have been an adventure... Loni and Bert in two main roles would have saved the dog!
Missed that one. Very funny.
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brilliant
I saw some Audition outakes, and Loni wasn't among them.
I remember my old college days. Us guys standing in line to see Star Wars. The line wrapped around the theater. We all bragged on how many times we saw it. I saw it about 7 or 8 times. Others saw it 20 times and had much of the dialog memorized, while it was still at the theater. It was a phenomenon.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
***I remember my old college days. Us guys standing in line to see Star Wars. The line wrapped around the theater. We all bragged on how many times we saw it. I saw it about 7 or 8 times. Others saw it 20 times and had much of the dialog memorized, while it was still at the theater.
You are proving Jazz' point.
I paid once to take my then young daughter to it... that was more than I could handle.
I saw it a few times when it came out, too. Now I cringe when I catch parts of it on TV.
McDonalds and Lady Gaga are popular too.
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We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
'acting' that would make 'wooden' something to strive for. And amazingly, even after all the years that passed, Lucas seems to have learned nothing about real film making-if anything, the follow up movies were worse! Either that, or he didn't want to break the spell of the first two with real writing and an acting coach.
Could probably sit through the first Star Wars again, but I wouldn't even attempt that with the latest ones. Just horrible.
"dammit"
Agree, but Sat Morning Serials were the Model. But nothing like had ever been seen before, and the Effects WERE the show. The new ones were just horrible, and Lucas seems to be an idiot underneath it all!
can't make a decent movie to save his soul. Not that he probably cares. I'd guess the term 'revenue generator' has replaced 'movie' at Lucas Inc.
"dammit"
I've seen Star Wars and The Godfather enough times.
Throne of Blood with a nod to Macbeth. George Lucas credits it to Star Wars.
What extras? It will have the same extra stuff the DVD has and likely carried over in standard resolution. Then there will be some reason why the blu-ray won't be 100% satisfactory (it won't be properly restored, it will be the original version, etc.) necessitating a "super duper signature special saphire collector's premium edition 5 disc ultimate deluxe box set" release two years down the line. I'm sick of it.
Lucas should have released a Star Wars blu-ray two years ago when the catalog was still slim. The original movie with maybe the making of documentary and some commentary tracks. That's it. There is no reason why he couldn't other than to jerk people around for a few extra bucks.
After obtaining Star Wars , I breathlessly await the Winter 2019 release of Raiders of the Lost Ark . Yeah, right. Screw him.
I can't stand the new release of.... every movie out there. And then the super new release as you said. Kinda makes me gag. As for extras of any sort, never watched one in my life. I bought one DVD that had a separate DVD just for the extra stuff. Honestly couldn't care how the movie was made, who made it, etc, I just want to watch the movie.
'spart of the reason I really don't buy movies, "new releases" plus it's extremely rare I watch any movies more than 1-2 times.
... simultaneously in bare-bones and deluxe collector's edition versions on blu-ray instead of trying to stuff the more expensive multi-disc collector's edition set down our throats. A very rare instance of a studio treating its customers with some respect.
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with added explosions? He has made more $ on them than the originals. See South Park Episode. As always, they nail it!
A Coke with EVEN MORE sugar? But of course! Give me the BIG one!
No ice.
I'll have a New Coke, and Plenty of Explosions!
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
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