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In Reply to: RE: Blade Runner, 2049. You might not want to see it -- read first. posted by free.ranger on October 06, 2017 at 09:22:51
...and I was a little underwhelmed by it.
Even though I watched it again some years ago I didn't remember most of it. Of course the scenes toward the end with Daryl and Rutger were burned into my mind.
It was interesting visually but the plot didn't make a whole lot of sense.
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It was the future but all the many movies and effects that have come to pass have diminished it by comparison.
BRduo is much more stark and desolate than uno. One can't help but crave for color inside of duo. The flat palette and alphabet starve the retinas for something normal.
One thing, looks like there's no excuse for a sequel
There were a couple of different 'cuts' offered on, VHS, DVD and Blu-Ray over the years. The Director's Cut. "Then The Final Cut". It appears RS could not stop fiddling with it.As I recall many of the reviewers were not completely enthralled by the theatrical release.
Perhaps it is the bleak and sad atmosphere that saturates every frame of the movie. There is a sense of gloom. The characters are unattractive.
I thought the acting was second tier. Well, I think the entire cast is second tier. Rutger Hauer delivers his best performance in a movie and I wasn't particularly impressed.There is a running theme that the 'replicants' had a sense of 'self' and wished to continue living. Self-awareness. Perhaps the replicants felt they should dominate the humans? At least the humans feared that the replicants might want to.
The novel the movie was based on was even less compelling than the movie. I blame that on the rather dry narration coming from Philip K. Dick. What worked for me was the Sid Meade graphics and set design. Every scene is night time. All of the interior shots are dark. It tries to be a horror movie. With Ridley Scott you get horror, I guess. Iirc, the novel was less so.
-Steve
Edits: 10/08/17 10/08/17 10/08/17
Much Thanks! Steve.
Agreed Steve- user510
there are many, many versions of the original film on VHS and DVD.
Do you own all versions? Which is the most original(theater) on VHS?
Which is the most orginal (theater) on DVD?
I had the director's cut on vhs. Then I took that to hpb just to clear out my vhs collection. At this point the only vhs tapes I keep are family videos and some others that are only available as vhs.
The DVD I have is "The Final Cut". I feel no need to get that on Blu-Ray.
As to which is closest to the initial theatrical release, I don't know. It is likely that I have not seen it since viewing it in the theater way back then.
-Steve
The "Final Cut" was what RS really wanted to make. It was significantly better than the others. It got rid of the voice over, which the studio insisted on against RS's wishes as well as implications about Decker missed in the earlier versions.
Jack
Edits: 10/09/17
a different experience.
The film is supposed to be future sci fi noir and mostly succeeds at that sensibility.
Horror though? Naaa, that's Alien!
Or Blackhawk Down.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
"Horror though? Naaa, that's Alien!"
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That scene in the dillapidated old hotel where Roy Batty is toying with Deckard who means to capture and 'retire' the leader of the replicants (Batty). But Batty is superior in every way that matters. At one point Batty, on the other side of the wall, punches through the wall, grabbing Deckard's weapon hand. He breaks Deckard's trigger finger, then puts the weapon back in his hand. Deckard doesn't have a chance. Later in that act Batty howls like a wolf, adding immensely to the horriffic atmosphere.
The horror reveals itself in the opening scene where the replicant Leon shoots officer Holden under the table during the interview session designed to identify replicants from humans.
The horror reveals itself when replicant Pris attacks Deckard. She also displays superior physical abilities but after a valiant strugle Deckard manages to shoot her with his weapon. Pris was the pleasure replicant, fwiw.
That scene where the replicants gather around Hanibal Chew, the technician specializing in the manufacture of replicant eyes. Their purpose is to find their target, Dr. Tyrell. They kill Hanibal Chew after getting from him the location of another techie that knows how to get in touch with Tyrell.
That scene with Tyrell where Batty kills Tyrell using his thumbs against Tyrell's eyes, gouging out the eyes and crushing his skull. A horriffic death for Tyrell.
Also in that Tyrell death scene Batty kills J.F. Sebastian who had led the replicants to Tyrell. This killing is especially ugly because Sebastian had just witnessed the killing of his boss, Tyrell. Loose ends being tidied up.
This movie isn't Alien, that's for sure. But Bladerunner does have horror elements within and throughout. Although the movie itself is bigger than that and explores sci-fi themes, the horror is woven into the fabric of the plot. It is sci-fi horror.
-Steve
Graphic perhaps but not horror in the traditional sense.
If categorized as horror then I'd say some 83.6% of most Hollywood movies would qualify as horror.
You know, instead of horrible.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
nt
The Godfather is full of horrific violence yet is not a horror film.
So is Forrest Gump for that matter.
For 1/1000,000 of an example.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
If you look at it from a mile up in the atmosphere. Viewing the elements as data to be correlated, yes I take your points.However down on the ground, in the theater, in front of the flat screen, there is a mood to it. There is this sense of the sinister. I refrain from using the word 'evil' because these replicants are not that. They simply lack human empathy. And this is likely because they resent that humans have no empathy for them.
For me the horror is in the setup. The atmosphere. The mood. The intentional cruelty. The lack of compassion.
The movie isn't a monster flick like Alien. Yet the replicants are treated as monsters to be hunted down and 'retired', dispatched, killed.
These particular replicants are wanted for their rebellious mis-deeds they had done in another star system. In the beginning it seemed like the plot would take on the form of a simple hunt. But the going gets trickier than anyone in law enforcement thought it would. We the viewer see the process through Deckard's eyes. And for him, it turns into a harrowing, horrific ordeal. I put an emphasis on horrific.
-Steve
Edits: 10/09/17 10/09/17
I am convinced.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
...and you made good points.
-Steve
and you made far better points!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Like tears, ... lost in the rain.
(nt)
I'm still looking forward to seeing the current sequel, which some critics have asserted is actually BETTER than the original.
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