Video Asylum

an interesting commentary.

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Jack G

A reasonable and relatively unbiased editorial.
enjoy,
Jack

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I'll have to disagree BOTH formats can thrive in competition with DVD. - oscar 09:35:51 09/01/07 (12)
One has to prevail before mass market acceptance is possible and economies of scale can kick in to bring costs down.
- Truth is - DavidLD 09:57:53 09/03/07 (1)
  a successful format is cheap and simple. NEITHER format has hit mainstream consumers as being something way better than the format that is cheap and simple.
  
  Maybe both formats will go away and someone will come up with a successor High Definition DVD format that no longer has the compatibility problems and needs only an inexpensive player.
  
  I wish this would happen..neither of these formats appear to be winning the minds and hearts of consumers.
  A well mastered 480p standard DVD on my 720p Panasonic PT-AX100U projector is breathtaking in its clarity. I was watching "Coccoon" last night and counting the individual leaves on the trees.
  - Same here... - JoeLip 11:49:16 09/04/07 (0)
    Hi,
    
    You're right; std DVD done well is both great and all I need. Currently I'm using an expensive DENON DVD-3800. It is 3-4 years old, and so is 480P, w/ no HDMI. The picture quality almost rivals anything I've seen in HD. Some off-air HD is better, but most is about as good. It's a toss up, really. My HD from DirecTV lags behind both -- for the most part. My issue is that the DENON, while it performs spectacularly on both video and audio -- is finicky. It will hang up at layer transitions and sometimes for no apparent reason on really clean discs. Can drive me crazy.
    
    Where I'm going with all of this is that it is going to be std DVD for me -- at least for now. It is simply too good to leave behind. I'm seriously considering the 480P Oppo for $170. My understanding is that the more expensive model (with the Faroudja chipset) has macroblocking issues with sets like my SONY SXRD LCoS set. According to a technical guy at Oppo, the $170 player is the one for me. I am curious to see what my set can do if I bypass its internal scaling electronics. No final decisions yet, though.
    
    Cheers, Joe
- I agree, this is not Xbox-Wii. Either one or none will survive. nt - Duilawyer 10:41:43 09/01/07 (0)
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- "One has to prevail before mass market acceptance is possible and economies of scale can kick in to bring cost - Jack G 10:35:52 09/01/07 (8)
  Economies of scale may never really kick in for BD well. The replicators are very expensive, and the cost is and may always be expensive. Conservative estimates show that BD-25s are about $0.90 more expenive to replicate than HD-30s, and BD-50s are about $4 more expensive. Even after working on BD-50s for years now, yeilds by Sony are still only about 40%. Face it, blu-ray is not now, and may never be able to practically replace DVD due to its difficulties.
  OTOH, HD DVD is cheaper, faster and has yeilds approaching 95%. There's also already bout 300 replicators out there already that can make HD DVDs with little downtime-all DVD replcators made in the last few years are made to make DVDs or HD DVDs if desired.
  I still believe that both can coexist as large scale niche produts. However, if you are into the "quickening", and feel there can be only one, HD DVD is n a far better position to fight DVD, than BD.
  That of course, is just my $0.02. Take it for what its worth.
  Jack
  - Correction - Jack G 08:51:25 09/04/07 (6)
    Sony is getting a yield of about 50% for BD-50s, with the yield varying depending on the amount of data on the discs. BD-25s are between 60% and 70%, depending on the amount of data. That is NOT good.
    HD DVDs have a yield of over 95%. Yields for combos, are unknown, but obviously lower than regular HD DVDs.
    Jack
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    - Do you guys on AVS really believe that makes one iota of difference? NT - Jazz Inmate 10:47:05 09/04/07 (5)
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      "I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
      - Paramount seems to (nt) - Jack G 10:55:41 09/04/07 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Do you guys on AVS really believe that makes one iota of difference? NT posted by Jazz Inmate on September 04, 2007 at 10:47:05
        
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        Warner, Fox, Disney and Sony don't seem to - Jazz Inmate 11:52:26 09/04/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Paramount seems to (nt) posted by Jack G on September 04, 2007 at 10:55:41
        
        Manufacturing processes are optimized and improved as time goes on.
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        "I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
        
        Eventually the subsidies will stop - Jack G 12:06:25 09/04/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Warner, Fox, Disney and Sony don't seem to posted by Jazz Inmate on September 04, 2007 at 11:52:26
        
        And the costs will matter. How much will depend on the studio. It IS a factor, but not the only one.
        Jack
        
        Yup, just as they did with SACD.* - jaiva 17:16:38 09/04/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Eventually the subsidies will stop posted by Jack G on September 04, 2007 at 12:06:25
        
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        And SACD on classical music is still "thriving". - oscar 17:22:47 09/04/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yup, just as they did with SACD.* posted by jaiva on September 04, 2007 at 17:16:38
        
        Probably better than on the CD releases. But that's not saying a whole lot. In an MP3 world, classical music is in the doldrums.
  - RE: "One has to prevail before mass market acceptance is possible and economies of scale can kick in to bring - Duilawyer 13:22:20 09/01/07 (0)
    I always like your posts, never nasty, just factual, and unbiased. And recognize value in others' views.

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