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"One has to prevail before mass market acceptance is possible and economies of scale can kick in to bring cost

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In Reply to: RE: I'll have to disagree BOTH formats can thrive in competition with DVD. posted by oscar on September 01, 2007 at 09:35:51

Economies of scale may never really kick in for BD well. The replicators are very expensive, and the cost is and may always be expensive. Conservative estimates show that BD-25s are about $0.90 more expenive to replicate than HD-30s, and BD-50s are about $4 more expensive. Even after working on BD-50s for years now, yeilds by Sony are still only about 40%. Face it, blu-ray is not now, and may never be able to practically replace DVD due to its difficulties.
OTOH, HD DVD is cheaper, faster and has yeilds approaching 95%. There's also already bout 300 replicators out there already that can make HD DVDs with little downtime-all DVD replcators made in the last few years are made to make DVDs or HD DVDs if desired.
I still believe that both can coexist as large scale niche produts. However, if you are into the "quickening", and feel there can be only one, HD DVD is n a far better position to fight DVD, than BD.
That of course, is just my $0.02. Take it for what its worth.
Jack

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Correction - Jack G 08:51:25 09/04/07 (6)
Sony is getting a yield of about 50% for BD-50s, with the yield varying depending on the amount of data on the discs. BD-25s are between 60% and 70%, depending on the amount of data. That is NOT good.
HD DVDs have a yield of over 95%. Yields for combos, are unknown, but obviously lower than regular HD DVDs.
Jack
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- Do you guys on AVS really believe that makes one iota of difference? NT - Jazz Inmate 10:47:05 09/04/07 (5)
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  - Paramount seems to (nt) - Jack G 10:55:41 09/04/07 (4)
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    - Warner, Fox, Disney and Sony don't seem to - Jazz Inmate 11:52:26 09/04/07 (3)
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      - Eventually the subsidies will stop - Jack G 12:06:25 09/04/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Warner, Fox, Disney and Sony don't seem to posted by Jazz Inmate on September 04, 2007 at 11:52:26
        
        And the costs will matter. How much will depend on the studio. It IS a factor, but not the only one.
        Jack
        
        Yup, just as they did with SACD.* - jaiva 17:16:38 09/04/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Eventually the subsidies will stop posted by Jack G on September 04, 2007 at 12:06:25
        
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        And SACD on classical music is still "thriving". - oscar 17:22:47 09/04/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yup, just as they did with SACD.* posted by jaiva on September 04, 2007 at 17:16:38
        
        Probably better than on the CD releases. But that's not saying a whole lot. In an MP3 world, classical music is in the doldrums.
RE: "One has to prevail before mass market acceptance is possible and economies of scale can kick in to bring - Duilawyer 13:22:20 09/01/07 (0)
I always like your posts, never nasty, just factual, and unbiased. And recognize value in others' views.

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