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Samsung will not support their Bluray players. The BD-P1200 will not play many new Bluray discs ( 28 Weeks, The Fly both released this week). No firmware update is available to correct this problem. Many new CDs also will cause the player to freeze. The version 1400 will play these but it does not upconvert regular DVDs as well as the 1200. Samsung knows of this problem since is was corrected in the 1400 version but they would rather rush another "new" player to the market rather than support there old (the 1200 is 4 months old) player. They are in violation of their warranty (maybe) but taking legal action them is difficult. Buyer beware.
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It does address the issue with the new Fox titles. And yes, according to Samsung, it IS a BD+ issue (despite what Fox and Paidgeek say).
You can either burn an iso image onto a CD from their website, or if its convenient, hook the player up via the ethernet port in back.
OTOH, the update will not fix any of the other problems many of us 1200 owners have. Mine will not play RA2, or Corpse Bride. It freezes up on 2 others, has lip sync issues with 3 discs, and frequent handshake issues too.
I have a 50% error rate on BDs with this POS. Its one saving grace, is that its an excellent DVD player.
To put this in perspective, I have had problems with 2 HD DVDs out of 75.
Originally, my advice would have been to wait and buy a 1.1 compliant player, but the only stand alones that will be compliant are the combo players and $2K Denon.
You might want to consider the Sharp player, if you can find one. I'm thinking about it. Or, you may just wish to skip Blu-Ray altogether. I'm thinking about that too.
There's alot of really pissed off Samsung owners right now-BD is losing customers because of this.
Good Luck,
Jack
I talked to Samsung "support?" again today and they will mail me the update. The tech was not sure if it would fix my problems and maybe it is misslabeled on their web site and maybe it will let me play CDs again (none will now play) because the last update screwed up with the Java (?). He did feel it would help me play 20th Century's new Bluray but he could not understand why it was still labeled version 1.0 on their web site. Quite a way to run a company and ruin Bluray for most of us.
See link below.
Russell
- http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Firmware_Upgrades_(18_posts)/Samsung/Technical_Glitches/Samsung_Firmware_Update_Corrects_Playback_Issues_on_New_Fox_Titles/1056 (Open in New Window)
I bought this player on 5-10-07. Update 1.2 (version 1.0 is available but does not fix these problems) was to be released last June according to customer support at Samsung. I am still waiting. Once 30 days are past J & R will not refund your money on a purchase. Again this player will not play many CDs. Not exactly a new medium for an "early adopter" and this player was their second generation of players. I am not able to perform an ethernet download.
they did change the "build date" of it though. Its been online since the 12th.
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Early adoption involves things like delayed or cancelled titles, firmware updates and format "wars". It's all normal and if people can't deal with it, they aren't cut out to be early adopters.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "Early adoption involves things like delayed or cancelled titles, firmware updates and format "wars". It's all normal and if people can't deal with it, they aren't cut out to be early adopters." < < <
Assuming everything ruxtonvet has said is accurate, here is my take:
Format wars, yes! ...Delayed or cancelled titles, yes! ...Slow performance or limitations in programming functions, yes! ...High priced, clunky looking gear, yes! ...But failure to provide full support to units only a few months old and still under warranty when problems arise with newer discs, NO.
I'm sure glad that my HD-DVD player has yet to be plagued with these "early adopter" glitches and the ensuing wrath of disgruntled customers.
BTW, I'm still hoping that Blu-ray does well in spite of these frequently reported incidents since I'd eventually purchase a multi-format player. As I've stated several times before, I have no dog in this hunt, but performance at a fair price is a reasonable expectation, and NOT just for folks who sit on the fence!
In light of all this rancor, I just hope that studio exclusivity deals that limit release of some titles to one format or the other don't put a crimp in the availability of some highly desired titles; talk about niche-city!
AuPh
You adopt a new operating system and you're screwed. You buy a new PC and 17 months later you can get one twice as powerful for half the price. You adopt SACD early and you're locked out of multichannel capabilities and your old firmware causes your player to emit a blast of digital noise at the end of many hybrid discs.
The examples go on and on and on. Welcome to the digital age.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...and form the rather leaky defense apparently it's a dribble-glass!
> > > "You adopt a new operating system and you're screwed." < < <
One should expect inconveniences and some programming limitations, but not performance related issues that compromise viewing and belie the hype used to sell the products.
> > > "You buy a new PC and 17 months later you can get one twice as powerful for half the price." < < <
Improved performance is a different issue unless newer software programs were to magically make the older PC completely dysfunctional in that length of time.
> > > "You adopt SACD early and you're locked out of multichannel capabilities and your old firmware causes your player to emit a blast of digital noise at the end of many hybrid discs." < < <
If the performance specs included multichannel capabilities early on, and the format and player you purchased was advertised as providing that capability, then there should be no glitches. If there are unforeseeable problems, then it is incumbent upon the manufacturer to make good with some kind of fix or product exchange if the unit is still under warranty.
Early adopters are explorers taking the first steps with over-designed gear that represents cutting edge technology. Pricy, yes, but what you're paying for should meet or exceed the manufacturer's claims.
OTOH, early adopters should NOT become high end crash test dummies.
> > > "The examples go on and on and on. Welcome to the digital age." < < <
Ummm ...Jazz, don't look now, but is that unsweetened Kool Aid or sour mash I see leaking down the front of your shirt? ;0)
Cheers,
AuPh
I know more than one person who bought Vista and then uninstalled it/reinstalled XP. I fully agree that consumers should not be crash test dummies, but the reality is that we sometimes are. We see car recalls. We see drug manufacturers pull certain therapeutics from the market after patients have been taking them for a long time. We see food distributors yank produce, juices or meats from the grocery store. This is the reality of the world we live in. And when you're talking about cutting edge electronics, well, the problem is exacerbated. It's a fact. Disagree and make annoying attacks all you want. It doesn't change anything.To then come along and spin all this so that blu-ray or sony is particularly at fault just points to a chip on your shoulder.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
No wonder Blu-ray players are having software problems! Those chips should be INSIDE the player! ;0)
So, the new angle is to blame customers and potential customers who complain, right?
AuPh
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
All I omitted was "To then come along and...". Sorry about the sarcasm in my prior post, but at least I didn't leave 'u' out of your quote. ;0)
AuPh
by some of the more extreme blu-boys.
Got a problem? Crappy player? Lousy QC on discs? That's what you get for being an early adopter.
That seems to be the BDA's attitude too. Pity.
Jack
There is no reason for folks to get defensive about either format, but where problems exist they should be addressed directly to the manufacturers and here on these discussion boards, not excused as a problem of early adoption. If a format has recurring problems that aren't adequately addressed and the format's defenders excuse or sweep the complaints under the carpet (for the sake of their favored format keeping it's competitive edge) then it does a disservice to both the early adopters and potential customers down the line who will come to view both formats as defective.
AuPh
Blu-ray is having issues, and is about to have more. Yes, the BDA does deceive the public, hoping no one will notice. They still can't get video 1.1 up and running properly, and Sony is going to release its new players the last day of the deadline, so they don't have to be compliant of the new specs. They released a "fake" PiP feature with The Descent (2 encodes on the disc-1 with PiP and 1 without), and they are supposedly doing it again for Cars. Despite this, Blu-Ray advertises itself as having "next generation interactivity". Ha! The truth is, that having unfinished specs is hurting them, and could potentially be rather problematic this holiday season.
Jack
If you are as "unbiased" as you claim, I fully expect you to get POed and rant up and down the forum about how irresponsible this is the way you've done about the Blu-ray camp. Fair is fair.
Paramount delays, recalls Jack Ryan HD DVD set
Posted Oct 18th 2007 2:07PM by Richard Lawler
Filed under: HD DVD
Paramount has reacted quickly, delaying and recalling its not-so-special Jack Ryan Special Collectors Edition HD DVD boxed set that shipped without any of the special features listed on the box. While some may appreciate a minimalist style, presenting only the movies without the interruption of minor elements like, a menu, this was taking it a bit far. No word yet if the discs will be reissued with the missing features, or if those boxes will be returning with certain lines conveniently blanked out.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
- http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/18/paramount-delays-recalls-jack-ryan-hd-dvd-set/ (Open in New Window)
Let me know when it comes out on BD.
Jack
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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J & R will not refund my money on this purchase since it occured over 3 months ago.
.....If it doesn’t play some blu-ray discs then it is not as advertised or intended.
If you get no joy from the retailer then send it to Samsung along with the disc it won’t play.
Whatever you do, do something. If you take no action it only encourages retailers & manufacturers to do nothing.
Good luck.
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Sox
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