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• Since when did the definition of "early adopter" expand to include "sucker" as one of it's meanings? - Audiophilander 22:11:05 10/16/07 (12)
  In Reply to: RE: yes, the firmware is already available which means the OP is either purposefully lying or spreading false info posted by Jazz Inmate on October 16, 2007 at 21:30:07

  > > > "Early adoption involves things like delayed or cancelled titles, firmware updates and format "wars". It's all normal and if people can't deal with it, they aren't cut out to be early adopters." < < <
  
  Assuming everything ruxtonvet has said is accurate, here is my take:
  
  Format wars, yes! ...Delayed or cancelled titles, yes! ...Slow performance or limitations in programming functions, yes! ...High priced, clunky looking gear, yes! ...But failure to provide full support to units only a few months old and still under warranty when problems arise with newer discs, NO.
  
  I'm sure glad that my HD-DVD player has yet to be plagued with these "early adopter" glitches and the ensuing wrath of disgruntled customers.
  
  BTW, I'm still hoping that Blu-ray does well in spite of these frequently reported incidents since I'd eventually purchase a multi-format player. As I've stated several times before, I have no dog in this hunt, but performance at a fair price is a reasonable expectation, and NOT just for folks who sit on the fence!
  
  In light of all this rancor, I just hope that studio exclusivity deals that limit release of some titles to one format or the other don't put a crimp in the availability of some highly desired titles; talk about niche-city!
  
  AuPh
  
  

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  • since the digital revolution. Did you miss it? - Jazz Inmate 11:23:27 10/17/07 (5)
    In Reply to: RE: Since when did the definition of "early adopter" expand to include "sucker" as one of it's meanings? posted by Audiophilander on October 16, 2007 at 22:11:05

    You adopt a new operating system and you're screwed. You buy a new PC and 17 months later you can get one twice as powerful for half the price. You adopt SACD early and you're locked out of multichannel capabilities and your old firmware causes your player to emit a blast of digital noise at the end of many hybrid discs.
    
    The examples go on and on and on. Welcome to the digital age.
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    • Boy, that sure sounds like a glass half empty viewpoint, ... - Audiophilander 11:06:32 10/18/07 (4)
      In Reply to: RE: since the digital revolution. Did you miss it? posted by Jazz Inmate on October 17, 2007 at 11:23:27

      ...and form the rather leaky defense apparently it's a dribble-glass!
      
      > > > "You adopt a new operating system and you're screwed." < < <
      
      One should expect inconveniences and some programming limitations, but not performance related issues that compromise viewing and belie the hype used to sell the products.
      
      > > > "You buy a new PC and 17 months later you can get one twice as powerful for half the price." < < <
      
      Improved performance is a different issue unless newer software programs were to magically make the older PC completely dysfunctional in that length of time.
      
      > > > "You adopt SACD early and you're locked out of multichannel capabilities and your old firmware causes your player to emit a blast of digital noise at the end of many hybrid discs." < < <
      
      If the performance specs included multichannel capabilities early on, and the format and player you purchased was advertised as providing that capability, then there should be no glitches. If there are unforeseeable problems, then it is incumbent upon the manufacturer to make good with some kind of fix or product exchange if the unit is still under warranty.
      
      Early adopters are explorers taking the first steps with over-designed gear that represents cutting edge technology. Pricy, yes, but what you're paying for should meet or exceed the manufacturer's claims.
      
      OTOH, early adopters should NOT become high end crash test dummies.
      
      > > > "The examples go on and on and on. Welcome to the digital age." < < <
      
      Ummm ...Jazz, don't look now, but is that unsweetened Kool Aid or sour mash I see leaking down the front of your shirt? ;0)
      
      Cheers,
      AuPh
      
      

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      • I'm not a pessimist, Auph. I'm a realist - Jazz Inmate 13:54:26 10/18/07 (3)
        In Reply to: RE: Boy, that sure sounds like a glass half empty viewpoint, ... posted by Audiophilander on October 18, 2007 at 11:06:32

        I know more than one person who bought Vista and then uninstalled it/reinstalled XP. I fully agree that consumers should not be crash test dummies, but the reality is that we sometimes are. We see car recalls. We see drug manufacturers pull certain therapeutics from the market after patients have been taking them for a long time. We see food distributors yank produce, juices or meats from the grocery store. This is the reality of the world we live in. And when you're talking about cutting edge electronics, well, the problem is exacerbated. It's a fact. Disagree and make annoying attacks all you want. It doesn't change anything.

        To then come along and spin all this so that blu-ray or sony is particularly at fault just points to a chip on your shoulder.
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        • "spin all this so that blu-ray or sony is particularly at fault just points to a chip on your shoulder." -LOL! - Audiophilander 22:13:10 10/18/07 (2)
          In Reply to: RE: I'm not a pessimist, Auph. I'm a realist posted by Jazz Inmate on October 18, 2007 at 13:54:26

          No wonder Blu-ray players are having software problems! Those chips should be INSIDE the player! ;0)
          
          So, the new angle is to blame customers and potential customers who complain, right?
          
          AuPh
          
          

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          • If you're going to post something totally unsubstantive, can you at least get the qote right? NT - Jazz Inmate 23:56:14 10/18/07 (1)
            In Reply to: RE: "spin all this so that blu-ray or sony is particularly at fault just points to a chip on your shoulder." -LOL! posted by Audiophilander on October 18, 2007 at 22:13:10

            
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            • Your entire quote wouldn't fit in the subject line, but the context is dead-on. - Audiophilander 07:21:57 10/19/07 (0)
              In Reply to: RE: If you're going to post something totally unsubstantive, can you at least get the qote right? NT posted by Jazz Inmate on October 18, 2007 at 23:56:14

              All I omitted was "To then come along and...". Sorry about the sarcasm in my prior post, but at least I didn't leave 'u' out of your quote. ;0)
              
              AuPh
              
              

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  • That seems to be a common excuse - Jack G 10:04:38 10/17/07 (5)
    In Reply to: RE: Since when did the definition of "early adopter" expand to include "sucker" as one of it's meanings? posted by Audiophilander on October 16, 2007 at 22:11:05

    by some of the more extreme blu-boys.
    Got a problem? Crappy player? Lousy QC on discs? That's what you get for being an early adopter.
    That seems to be the BDA's attitude too. Pity.
    Jack
    
    

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    • Yeah, you make a real good point. - Audiophilander 22:07:58 10/17/07 (4)
      In Reply to: RE: That seems to be a common excuse posted by Jack G on October 17, 2007 at 10:04:38

      There is no reason for folks to get defensive about either format, but where problems exist they should be addressed directly to the manufacturers and here on these discussion boards, not excused as a problem of early adoption. If a format has recurring problems that aren't adequately addressed and the format's defenders excuse or sweep the complaints under the carpet (for the sake of their favored format keeping it's competitive edge) then it does a disservice to both the early adopters and potential customers down the line who will come to view both formats as defective.
      
      AuPh
      
      

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      • Exactly - Jack G 05:09:22 10/18/07 (3)
        In Reply to: RE: Yeah, you make a real good point. posted by Audiophilander on October 17, 2007 at 22:07:58

        Blu-ray is having issues, and is about to have more. Yes, the BDA does deceive the public, hoping no one will notice. They still can't get video 1.1 up and running properly, and Sony is going to release its new players the last day of the deadline, so they don't have to be compliant of the new specs. They released a "fake" PiP feature with The Descent (2 encodes on the disc-1 with PiP and 1 without), and they are supposedly doing it again for Cars. Despite this, Blu-Ray advertises itself as having "next generation interactivity". Ha! The truth is, that having unfinished specs is hurting them, and could potentially be rather problematic this holiday season.
        Jack
        
        

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        • By the way, Jack..."Paramount recalls Jack Ryan HD DVD set" - Jazz Inmate 14:02:36 10/18/07 (2)
          In Reply to: RE: Exactly posted by Jack G on October 18, 2007 at 05:09:22

          If you are as "unbiased" as you claim, I fully expect you to get POed and rant up and down the forum about how irresponsible this is the way you've done about the Blu-ray camp. Fair is fair.
          
          Paramount delays, recalls Jack Ryan HD DVD set
          Posted Oct 18th 2007 2:07PM by Richard Lawler
          Filed under: HD DVD
          Paramount has reacted quickly, delaying and recalling its not-so-special Jack Ryan Special Collectors Edition HD DVD boxed set that shipped without any of the special features listed on the box. While some may appreciate a minimalist style, presenting only the movies without the interruption of minor elements like, a menu, this was taking it a bit far. No word yet if the discs will be reissued with the missing features, or if those boxes will be returning with certain lines conveniently blanked out.
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          • At least they are fixing it, as apposed to pointing fingers - Jack G 14:16:17 10/18/07 (1)
            In Reply to: RE: By the way, Jack..."Paramount recalls Jack Ryan HD DVD set" posted by Jazz Inmate on October 18, 2007 at 14:02:36

            Let me know when it comes out on BD.
            Jack
            
            

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            • Thanks for confirming your bias. NT - Jazz Inmate 14:43:34 10/18/07 (0)
              In Reply to: RE: At least they are fixing it, as apposed to pointing fingers posted by Jack G on October 18, 2007 at 14:16:17

              
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