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In Reply to: RE: Lots of bluster and innuendo, but your assinine remarks about blatant lying is truly out of the blue. posted by Jazz Inmate on December 31, 2007 at 09:33:37
>>> "But isn't that exactly what your de facto position is? Doesn't your monetary support exclusively go to the HD DVD format?" <<<Is de facto anything like your de Nile, because anyone can play that kind of subjective opinion game!? If by monetary support you mean buying movies I like, I plead no contest; if you mean donations made to a one format cause, nope.
>>> "...you haven't learned anything from the DVD-A and SACD situation. Here we had a superior format and an inferior one, creating confusion in the marketplace." <<<
Comparing the audio format war to the video format war is a serious error because there are other factors to be taken into account with high definition such as the government mandated analog/digital changeover. The DVD-A/SACD war was over competing audio technologies that required 5.1 speakers to be fully appreciated as being superior to CD. Arguably the new technologies didn't better CDs enough to make the investment in surround speakers and associated gear worthwhile for Joe Consumer, and analog audio (LPs) still sounded better to most audiophiles.
>>> "The general public didn't know which to adopt, even if they were interested. Different labels and manufacturers aligned with different formats. Yeah, universal machines were out there, but it couldn't bridge the gap. Downloadable music came along and pretty much put an end to both." <<<
Downloadable music provides a convenience factor that most on-the-go younger listeners can relate to better than middle-aged audiophiles. Dual format SACD/DVD-A players did bridge the gap, but the prices took too long to come down and they had little impact because the interest in those formats never reached the threshold of mass acceptance.
>>> "If you can't see the very real possibility that could happen to HD video, you're not terribly astute. By advocating your 'two format solution', you are essentially advocating intransigence among studios, manufacturers, consumers and, ultimately, death to optical formats. The only way to ensure that doesn't happen is to align firmly behind one format and support it exclusively and make sure studios and manufacturers follow suit so that the mass consumer has a clear upgrade path to HD. You support muddying and bifurcating that path." <<<
Balderdash!
Of course anything can happen, but taking a "Chicken Little" approach to the format war isn't my cuppa tea. I'm convinced that competition will bring the price of both of these formats down, that includes the hardware and video, and push the technological advances. The lowering of prices is what will get Joe Public to accept one or both of the formats, as early adopters have done.
>>> "Are they only on the BD release? Isn't the same content used to produce both the HD DVD and Blu-ray?" <<<
You obviously haven't read the threads from those who have bought both. Yes, the content is the same and the lossless audio is fine on the HD-DVD, but there's apparently a glitch on the Blu-ray that produces drop-outs. One has to wonder if this could be a problem with Blu-ray mastering or the ability to utilize lossless audio; maybe with so much capacity John Bonham's drum whacks on Moby Dick just got lost in all that unused gigabyte space! ;0)
Have a Happy Blue Year (but don't drink the blue Kool Aid),
AuPh
Edits: 01/01/08Follow Ups:
> > If by monetary support you mean buying movies I like, I plead no contest; if you mean donations made to a one format cause, nope. < <Oh, cut the crap already. You support one format and one format only: HD DVD. Exclusively. I've read your take on many movies you gush over on the film forum. The Pirates films, for example. You like 'em a lot and there's no doubt that you'd buy them if they were on HD DVD. You are an exclusive fanboy and for much worse reasons than you think I'm a fanboy. The problem with you is that you're either too stupid or too dishonest to admit it to yourself and so it's no wonder you can't admit it to anyone else.
> > Comparing the audio format war to the video format war is a serious error because there are other factors to be taken into account with high definition such as the government mandated analog/digital changeover. < <
That affects TVs, auphl. It no way affects or mandates consumer's buying a next-gen DVD format, and if you read the business page of the NYT today, you'd see a very stern article that basically warns against adopting either format and claims that most HDTV owners are perfectly happy with DVD. You add into the mix new chips that Intel is coming out with, and a method to download huge amounts of data quickly and there is absolutely every reason to think optical formats are dead as far as HD films are concerned.
> > Dual format SACD/DVD-A players did bridge the gap, but the prices took too long to come down and they had little impact because the interest in those formats never reached the threshold of mass acceptance. < <
There was a $200 universal player fairly early in the game. It didn't help. You need to push one format and support it or there will be intransigence in the market and the formats will fail. The studios will need to aggressively manufacture and market a next-gen DVD format and start phasing out DVD if the optical formats are going to have a chance against MS's vision for downloadable HD films.
edit: and one more thing. I asked you for a link, an official statement from Warner or some other official source stating that, as you claim, SRtS was yanked due to the dropout. Not only did you link me to a page that doesn't exist, but the URL indicated that it was a blog. This is a serious problem with you HD DVD types. You get all your info from blogs and you think it's a valid source. You're fools.
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"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
I did not state that my link would provide an official explanation of the reason for the withdrawal of the high definition releases. What I stated was that Jimmy Page was on board for the HD releases; you requested a link of the source. Here is the exchange to reboot your memory 'Dory':(my comment) "WOW! Talk about conjecture! Page was on board initially, ..."
(your response) > > > "Link? Source?" < < <
Another 'more official' source (Audio/Video News) has been linked in that post since you're having difficulty accessing the earlier blog entry that supplies similar information.
However, you also stated:
> > > "Are they only on the BD release? Isn't the same content used to produce both the HD DVD and Blu-ray?" < < <
Below is a link to testimonials that supports the assertion that the drop-outs are only on Blu-ray discs (or is it that only drop-outs apply as fan-boys for Blu-ray? I'm not sure which observation is more applicable at the moment! -grin):
> > I did not state that my link would provide an official explanation of the reason for the withdrawal of the high definition releases. < <But that's what i asked for. Your ideas are based on people who couldn't possibly know why Warner cancelled/delayed release of SRtS and asked for a link/source that could corroborate your idea. You constantly make assertions that you are not prepared to back up. When you do try to back them up, you link me to blogs. I'm not interested in that.
> > Another 'more official' source (Audio/Video News) has been linked in that post since you're having difficulty accessing the earlier blog entry that supplies similar information. < <
I don't see any link in the page you linked me to. Nothing official whatsoever. And if you did have a "more official source", you'd link me to that. You can't.
> > Below is a link to testimonials that supports the assertion that the drop-outs are only on Blu-ray discs! < <
If so, it's more evidence that Warner isn't paying attention to quality when porting over the HD DVD content to produce its BDs.
:o)
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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