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In Reply to: RE: Yes posted by Ole Lund Christensen on January 04, 2008 at 15:04:58
Don't bet on it. HD-DVD is still a Microsoft venture and Bill Gates doesn't take losing gracefully. It wouldn't surprise me if he still has a rabbit or two in his hat to pull out. ;0)AuPh
Edits: 01/04/08Follow Ups:
Not worrying about DVD's.
Unless he's secretly working for Apple.
MS was fighting with Japan Inc. about the CE market, and Toshiba was the only big hardware partner MS had.
You have seen how Stringer have been talking as nice as possible about the format "stalemate", when he knew he was winning.
And SONY sold the PS3 IC factory to Toshiba.
> > > "MS was fighting with Japan Inc. about the CE market, and Toshiba was the only big hardware partner MS had. - You have seen how Stringer have been talking as nice as possible about the format "stalemate", when he knew he was winning. - And SONY sold the PS3 IC factory to Toshiba." < < <
What has that to do with signed contracts and public commitments? You seem to have come to this forgone conclusion that Paramount and Universal will drop HD-DVD without having any evidence to support it. This is just my observation; please correct me if I'm wrong.
AuPh
Good night, it is 2 am here. Read something about Japan Inc.
MS's main interest in HD DVD is to prolong the "war" long enough for both formats to piddle about in a permanent stalemate. That still could happen if enough people like you are out there.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
The sales of standalone Blu Ray players before Christmas in USA was extremely high. At prices around USD 270 they outsold all other DVD players.
That was what Warner had required a long time ago.
In addition more than 80% of PS3 owners have played and want to buy Blu Ray Movies.
> > > In addition more than 80% of PS3 owners have played and want to buy Blu Ray Movies. < < <
Gotta link for that, besides a Sony online poll?
last I heard, it was closer to 20%.
Jack
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Despite packing discs with the PS3 in the past, only 40% knew it was a BD player. Why is this any different?
jack
There is a link to be found by doing google.
It is 2 am here, so I am going to bed now. I want to see Top Gear Extra in the morning from BBC.
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why do you think that people will not play their Spiderman movie?
"why do you think that people will not play their Spiderman movie?"
There's a difference between playing a free disc and buying your own. :0)
Besides, why would someone who has just bought a PS3 buy movies at a premium price which last a couple of hours tops when they could spend the money on games which provide hours and hours of gameplay where one minute is always different from the next?
Better and better games are being designed for all games platforms but films remain pretty much the same quality and the same duration, so the PS3 will become less and less video players to their owners and more a games consol.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
They match well the percentage of PS3 connected to a HDTV.
Why should gamers not use their PS3 and their HDTV to play Blu Ray movies? Games are often based on popular movies.
See link
- http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-celebrates-its-first-birthday-56-million-sold/18572/?ncid=AOLGAM000500000000016 (Open in New Window)
"PS3 Blu-ray currently outsells Xbox 360 HD-DVD 9 to 1."
What does that mean?
Is it comparing sales of PS3 to sales of Xbox plus HD-DVD drive?
If so it's meaningless as PS3 purchasers get their BluRay drive for free!
"A recent Blu-ray Disc adoption survey shows that 87% of PS3 users watch Blu-ray movies, 80% of PS3 users have purchased Blu-ray movies and 82% intend to purchase or rent Blu-ray movies."
If PS3 buyers get free BluRay discs of course they'll watch them, and who exactly took part in the survey?
I'd imagine that only those who were interested in BluRay would bother filling in any survey about BluRay, and the statement that BluRay was outselling by just two to one when PS3s are outselling Xbox 360s by nine to one could suggest Xbox owners are buying more high-rez titles than PS3 owners.
There's lies, damn lies and statistics, and anything to do with Sony is on an even lower level. :0)
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
It was an online survey done by Sony. It was neither objective nor scientific. That's why i said in my post,BESIDES THE ONLINE POLL DONE BY SONY. Show me those numbers from an independent third party, and I'll believe it. Also,just because they included a BD, doesn't mean people know what Bd is. They included that dumb racing movie billy bob whatever, and people still didn't know what BD was. Even with that freebie, only 40% of the owners even knew the PS3 was a BD player. If they play a freebie not knowing what it is, does that help them? Does it even count?
Jack
Don't know about you but I trust Sony implicitly!
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
There will always be a vast number of film collectors who, like book collectors, find owning something tangible is preferable to having temporary access. Collectors appreciate the unlimited variety of rare and obscure film, much of which will never be available through internet providers or with the extras we see on DVDs today and for many the whole idea of downloading popular films as an alternative is anathema.
AuPh
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
This kind of crap is why I stopped going to bluray.com.
Its not like all the HD DVD players are going to self destruct, unlike my *cough* first bd player*cough*. People will be enjoying their HD DVDs for years.
Jack
You don't find it disingenuous that he describes himself as a supporter of both formats when he clearly only supports one exclusively? At least you can say you support both and it is actually borne out by your purchases. Auph says one thing and does another.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Not for the format. There are many people who really do not care for the BD exclusive titles.
Jack
I've followed his posts on the film forum where he gushed about several titles that happen to be BD exclusive. If he was "all about the titles" he wouldn't be HD DVD exclusive. He'd either be waiting it out like most normal people or adopting both, like most abnormal people. Anyway, whatever he is, he's a boring drone with his constand insults and talk of cheerleader this, pom pom that, fanboy fanboy fanboy yada yada. I've noticed that type of childish crap doesn't seem to bother you at all, but you're very quick to get on my case when the conversation descends below the civil level. you ain't particularly unbiased yourself.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Call it "support" or whatever euphemism you like, but you've effectively established yourself as this forum's leading fan-boy and pompom carrying cheerleader for SONY and Blu-ray. You might as well admit it, take your bows or do a split if you can find sufficient flexibility for such a maneuver.The bottom line is that you, more than anyone else, worship the god of Blu-ray at the alter of SONY in preference to approaching this issue logically, as an aficionado of movies. Capacity issues notwithstanding, a film collector would be interested in obtaining the best copy of favorite films as available, regardless of the format; that's why I endorsed a dual format player solution.
Feel free to continue thumping your chest and doing cartwheels over Warner's announcement if you like. However, I suspect (with no small degree of apprehension), that if indeed the field is narrowed it will not be the magic bullet for consumers that you seem to hold with such a high degree of confidence. One thing I can say without equivocation is that I'm sure this issue will be revisited many times in the weeks and months to come.
Regards,
AuPh
But I haven't noticed any ill effects of keeping my DVDs and avoiding HD DVD releases of some titles I really like, such as Big Lebowski. You easily could have survived doing the same if you wanted to be a savvy consumer. You didn't. And you are a fanboy. For HD DVD. You still are, but don't worry, we won't let you drown as you cling obsessively to the last remnants of the sinking ship.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
...don't look now, but that fashionable tin-foil hat you're wearing is falling down around your ears. ;^D
The fact that you consider yourself a savvy consumer is a riot; you should be working for Letterman (ooops, too late; he recently settled with his comedy writers). ;0)
> > > "But I haven't noticed any ill effects of keeping my DVDs and avoiding HD DVD releases of some titles I really like, such as Big Lebowski." < < <
LOL! It's a hobby (nothing more, nothing less), my pompom-pas 'friend', not a life support system; it's supposed to be fun, get a grip.
> > > "You didn't. And you are a fanboy. For HD DVD. You still are, but don't worry, we won't let you drown as you cling obsessively to the last remnants of the sinking ship." < < <
My support has consistently been for a dual format solution; I still favor it for several really good reasons which are apparently above your 'pay grade' (intellectually speaking). The fact that this information fails to sink in each time it's downloaded to you suggests that there must be a glitch in your memory capacity (maybe you should ship your brain to SONY for a reboot while it's still under warranty! -grin).
AuPh
Yeah, it's fun to watch movies regardless of definition. So if fun is your middle name, there's no reason to adopt either HD format. We're into the pursuit of higher quality audio and video and that's why we're on the bleeding edge.
You know, auph, we go over these same discussions constantly. You're just not honest. You're not a savvy consumer. You remind me of a ditzy girl.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "You remind me of a ditzy girl." < < <
And you remind me of George S-F-B Bush, and if you ever figure out what those letters represent you'll know that I don't mean that in a good way.
If you put those frilly blue pompoms down for five minutes and actually thought about how silly and transparent it is for you to act as an unpaid shill for SONY corp. (who apparently cares a great deal more about hyping non-crucial capacity issues than about the actual movies being released) then you might be humbled enough to take a more reasoned position on the pros & cons of both formats! But trust me, no one is holding their virtual breath waiting for that day. ;0)
AuPh
such cost being justified only by the release of a sufficient number of interesting titles available on Blu-ray and not on HD DVD. For a Sci-Fi fan, HD DVD offers "Serenity", Star Trek TOS, and other catalog gems; In contrast, Blu-ray can offer only "Stargate" , "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "AVP" (only titles which comes to mind at the moment) and "Sunshine" is coming out Tuesday.... plus a bunch of Comic book drek ("Underworld", "Spiderman", "Fantastic Four", "X-Men" er.... um.... come to think of it... seems there might be quite a few good reasons to invest in a Blu-ray player for the discerning movie watcher....
Those profile 1.0 players (or what's left of them) should be real cheap in the next few months as the 1.1 players start to appear to replace them.... After all, what "discerning movie watcher" would give a hoot about IME/PIP ?
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... making a comparison, or what? ;^>
Cheers,
AuPh
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