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No, they most certainly did not get it right.

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jaiva

In Reply to: RE: so i guess sony got it right this time posted by rosconey on January 08, 2008 at 12:48:19

Although Sony and Toshiba have a pretty close relationship the ego of the Sony's previous CEO (a brilliant engineer but lousy businessman) prevented a deal with Toshiba to jointly promote one format.

Valuable time has been lost, As Stringer said if he could have gone back in time he would have worked out a deal with Toshiba.

Follow Ups:

How do you know it wasn't the Toshiba CEO's fault ? nt - oscar 17:47:23 01/08/08 (21)
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- My work brings me into regular contact - jaiva 18:44:30 01/08/08 (20)
  with senior management at many Japanese companies including Sony and Toshiba.
  
  I heard from both sides that it was the inflexibility of the past ceo that prevented a deal.
  
  as I mentioned they have a pretty good relationship and Toshiba has a good hand in every ps3 that gets made.
  
  a deal should have been made to work.
  - Serving them slushys at the 7-11 - YECH 14:34:33 01/09/08 (0)
    really doesn't qualify as
    "regular contact".
    YECHonyou
  - Sony had the better technology and the better approach to achieve market penetration - Jazz Inmate 18:52:39 01/08/08 (18)
    Toshiba had bupkas. That's why HD DVD is up the creek. Looks like Sony's former CEO was perfectly validated in his "inflexible stance". If you know your position is the right one, you should not step away from it.
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    Edits: 01/08/08
    - RE: Sony had the better technology and the better approach to achieve market penetration - racerguy 19:35:48 01/08/08 (13)
      > > Toshiba had bupkas < <
      
      It's truly sad that your rabid fanboyism has completely destroyed your objectivity. There are several features/technologies that HD DVD has that are superior to features/technologies in Blu-ray. Only a mindless cheerleader would claim otherwise.
      
      It would have been better for everyone if the two camps had come to an agreement and found a way to incorporate the best of each format instead of engaging in a stupid format war. The end product would probably be better, and farther along in implementation and adoption. How can you not see this?
      - As Jazz said, please do share with us features of HD DVD that Blu-ray cannot support. - oscar 05:23:33 01/09/08 (9)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Sony had the better technology and the better approach to achieve market penetration posted by racerguy on January 08, 2008 at 19:35:48
        
        PIP/IME is a temporary (and dubious in my POV) advantage, at best for HD DVD; Blu-ray will eventually have an equivalent, and probably better implementation this year. Blu-ray has bandwidth and storage capacity advantages HD DVD cannot and will never match. This translates to higher video and audio bitrates (e.g. almost 100% lossless/uncompressed audio on Blu-ray exclusive studio releases, er... except for Warner) and breathing room for all the special features some people seem to crave (e.g. PIP/IME).
        
        Oscar, we've discussed this previously - racerguy 07:49:03 01/09/08 (8)
        
        In Reply to: RE: As Jazz said, please do share with us features of HD DVD that Blu-ray cannot support. posted by oscar on January 09, 2008 at 05:23:33
        
        I don't expect Jazz to retain any sort of objectivity or knowledge, but I do expect you to do so. Please don't emulate the fanboy.
        
        Game over, racerguy. Nice try NT - Jazz Inmate 09:43:30 01/09/08 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Oscar, we've discussed this previously posted by racerguy on January 09, 2008 at 07:49:03
        
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        You just made his point. - Audiophilander 10:13:03 01/09/08 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Game over, racerguy. Nice try NT posted by Jazz Inmate on January 09, 2008 at 09:43:30
        
        LOL!
        
        I asked racer a simple question and he couldn't answer it - Jazz Inmate 10:34:39 01/09/08 (5)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You just made his point. posted by Audiophilander on January 09, 2008 at 10:13:03
        
        Then Oscar asked very politely and he still couldn't answer it. Maybe you can?
        
        I'm not holding my breath.
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        You didn't ask him anything; you just said "Game over, racerguy. Nice try". - Audiophilander 22:59:59 01/09/08 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I asked racer a simple question and he couldn't answer it posted by Jazz Inmate on January 09, 2008 at 10:34:39
        
        You apparently don't have a the foggiest notion about who said what to whom in which thread (here's the clue: your loose rhetorical query was first directed at jaiva, not racerguy; oscar's question came after that)! If you're going to carry blue pompoms and root for your home team the least you could do is to familiarize yourself with the names of players before turning cartwheels. ;0)
        
        > > > "Maybe you can?" < < <
        
        I could answer the question oscar put to racerguy even though oscar answered that himself, at least in part, by speculating that Blu-ray should eventually be able to best what HD-DVD currently does better now, but that isn't the point that I was addressing or that you're obfuscating.
        
        AuPh
        
        Follow the thread, sherlock NT - Jazz Inmate 23:57:30 01/09/08 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You didn't ask him anything; you just said "Game over, racerguy. Nice try". posted by Audiophilander on January 09, 2008 at 22:59:59
        
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        Even with Watson's help you won't find any hint of a question there, Inspector. - Audiophilander 12:09:21 01/10/08 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Follow the thread, sherlock NT posted by Jazz Inmate on January 09, 2008 at 23:57:30
        
        May I suggest you go back to the start of the thread and look for yourself, Lestrade; it's really elementary. If you can divine a question, maybe you can find a clue before the case vanishes from your grasp.
        
        The Case of the Blue Bunk (as opposed to The Case of the Blue Carbuncle), where Jazz Inmate has the Stones, but none that anybody would want! ;0)
        
        Cheers (a'la Jazz, rah! rah!),
        AuPh :O)
        
        Wrong. I challenged racer to specify HD DVD's "advantages" and then Oscar reiterated the challenge - Jazz Inmate 12:17:44 01/10/08 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Even with Watson's help you won't find any hint of a question there, Inspector. posted by Audiophilander on January 10, 2008 at 12:09:21
        
        Of course, racer couldn't come up with a thing. It would help if you could read. It would also help if you left these discussions to the adults and took your fascination with cheerleaders to your therapist, or at the very least myspace.com
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        "...your fascination with cheerleaders..." *ahem* - If any guys here HAD a fascination with cheer-leaders, ... - Audiophilander 00:12:55 01/11/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Wrong. I challenged racer to specify HD DVD's "advantages" and then Oscar reiterated the challenge posted by Jazz Inmate on January 10, 2008 at 12:17:44
        
        ... I'm sure that you cured them of THAT fantasy, big time! ;^D
        
        AuPh
      - He's all yours racer - jaiva 20:55:02 01/08/08 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Sony had the better technology and the better approach to achieve market penetration posted by racerguy on January 08, 2008 at 19:35:48
        
        I can't be bothered.
        
        You're right - it's a waste of time and effort - racerguy 07:51:07 01/09/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: He's all yours racer posted by jaiva on January 08, 2008 at 20:55:02
        
        I just can't get it through my head that some people get so emotionally invested in a consumer technology that they view it totally uncritically. My bad.
      - Sorry, but there's nothing HD DVD can do that Blu-ray cannot do - Jazz Inmate 20:20:05 01/08/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Sony had the better technology and the better approach to achieve market penetration posted by racerguy on January 08, 2008 at 19:35:48
        
        And frankly, it's hilarious that you can ignore the capacity issue and higher bitrates consistently delivered by BD, and then act indignant about HD-DVD's "superior features/technologies" that you can't even specify (for very good reason--they don't exist). I'll grant that HD DVD was quicker to implement silly bonus features like picture in picture and web interactivity, but Blu-ray is not far behind in such things and they're not particularly interesting, regardless.
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    - that's not the point Jazz - jaiva 19:08:46 01/08/08 (3)
      as you have pointed out many times there are powerful forces that want to bring about the demise of physical media so they can provide content on-line.
      
      spin it anyway you want but this fact remains: the time Sony lost will never be regained.
      
      Which is why Stringer made the comment he did.
      - RE: that's not the point Jazz - Jazz Inmate 20:33:42 01/08/08 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: that's not the point Jazz posted by jaiva on January 08, 2008 at 19:08:46
        
        > > as you have pointed out many times there are powerful forces that want to bring about the demise of physical media so they can provide content on-line. < <
        
        When HD movies are downloadable, it will be advantageous to compete with that using a 50 GB optical format as opposed to a 30 GB format. HD DVD should die. Not Blu-ray. Stringer is just trying to bring the idiot HD DVD fanboys on board and cater to their ego by appearing modest. He knows he has the better technology and the better strategy.
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        Oh, so that was Stringers intent. - jaiva 20:52:44 01/08/08 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: that's not the point Jazz posted by Jazz Inmate on January 08, 2008 at 20:33:42
        
        gotcha.
        
        All CEOs play that balancing act - Jazz Inmate 09:42:18 01/09/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Oh, so that was Stringers intent. posted by jaiva on January 08, 2008 at 20:52:44
        
        They look out for the interests of their company while negotiating with others who have different interests--all while trying to pretend the customer is the most important person in the world. Sony is hardly unique in this regard. But you already know this because you interact with many important CEOs in Japan. gotcha.
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I am certain if Toshiba and Sony had promoted one format - Duilawyer 17:27:44 01/08/08 (1)
we would all have it right now, as would 50% of everybody else.
- Maybe, but what format would that be? - Jazz Inmate 09:54:50 01/09/08 (0)
  The one with 50 GB capacity or the one with 30 GB capacity?
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