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In Reply to: RE: here's a sale you might like posted by usafwso on February 04, 2008 at 23:09:11
.....Please educate us and list a dozen movies that ARE good movies. (in any format)
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Most on this list are pre-1980, before the corporate profit first mentality hijacked Hollywood and the EXCESSIVE use of CGI:
The list is in no particular order and is on standard DVD.
Citizen Kane
Some Like It Hot
Howard Hughe's Hells Angels
Lawrence of Arabia
The Godfather, series
Chinatown
Sunset Boulevard
All About Eve
The Damned Don't Cry
The Women
Battle of Britain
The Hunters
2001: A Space Odyssey
Clockwork Orange
1941
A Night to Remember
Mildred Pierce
The Philadelphia Story
High Society
Roman Holiday
Deconstructing Harry
Sleeper
Funny Face
42nd Street
Gold DIggers of 1935
Dames
The Ref
The French Lieutenant's Woman
Amadeus
It's A Mad, Mad, Mad Mad, World
So, I think I have suggested a few more than twelve titles an am not aware of any of the above titles on Blu-Ray or HD DVD.
If so, please let me know.
No next gen format is going to cater to the 55 - 65 crowd. How many copies do you think any of those movies would sell on Blu-ray? Several hundred? A few thousand? Seriously, you may see a few of those movies released in High Definition, but it won't be soon (Sony is working on Lawrence of Arabia). The problem is that those titles won't contribute to the $: the return on the investment to get those movies in decent shape for a High Definition presentation will bring little to nothing to the bottom line.
It might be that I'm "younger" than my age would suggest, but I didn't see one title you listed that I would buy. You might want to stick to DVD/VHS to avoid disappointment.
Is for the studios to resell their catalog titles. They don't need HD to sell blockbusters, those sell fine as DVDs on their own. However, getting us to buy catalog titles again, is almost like free money to them. Many have already been remastered in HD, either for the newest DVD release or for HD broadcasting.
The paradox is that catalog titles aren't selling well in HD, at least in part due to the limited demographics of a game console.
Jack
As I said, some of those titles will make it to the next gen formats; however, it won't be soon and they won't sell like blockbusters of today and a few years ago. And that's not due to a game console, it'll be the same when stand-alones outnumber the PS3 as well. Older titles/classics have a smaller audience and thus earn a smaller return.
So I'll ask you the same question: How many titles in his list are going to sell more than several hundred or a few thousand?
Nothing is selling well on HD. Sure, the Pirates type movies sell better than older titles on HD, but even so, sales are pitiful. Both formats combined only sold 8.9M discs in the year 2007. The #1 title (300) sold 472,400, while the #10 DVD (Bourne Ultimatum) sold 7.35M the last 3 weeks of the year. Are the studios really going to rely on Blockbusters for HD?
The Transformers HD DVD sold 239,100 (#3 title) but the DVD sold 13.74M. Do the studios really care? Sure, Casablanca HD DVD didn't sell well, but how many DVDs of it sold in 2007? That is the point. Free money (almost).
The real question is "If they are going to focus on blockbusters, why bother?". There's not alot of point to it.
Top ten DVD titles for 2007:
1. Transformers (Paramount/DreamWorks): 13.74 million units
2. Happy Feet (Warner): 13.48
3. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney): 13.20
4. 300 (Warner): 12.91
5. Ratatouille (Disney): 12.06
6. Shrek the Third (Paramount/DreamWorks): 11.84
7. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Warner): 10.14
8. The Departed (Warner): 8.94
9. Night at the Museum (Fox): 8.66
10. The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal): 7.36
Top ten HD titles for 2007:
1. 300 (Blu-ray/Warner): 472,400
2. Planet Earth: The Complete Series (both formats/BBC Video): 294,300
3. Transformers (HD DVD/Paramount/DreamWorks): 239,100
4. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Blu-ray/Disney): 219,300
5. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (both/Warner): 179,500
6. The Departed (both/Warner): 171,800
7. Casino Royale (Blu-ray/Sony): 169,800
8. Bourne Ultimatum (HD DVD/Universal): 162,300
9. Spider-Man 3 (Blu-ray/Sony): 145,300
10. Ratatouille (Blu-ray/Disney): 117,500
Rather pitiful numbers don't you think? Unlike the day/date releases, I'm willing to bet that most of the old titles released in HD out sold their DVD counterparts for the year.
Jack
Wait one moment! Wasn't DVD at one time a "Next Generation" format? All the films listed in a previous post are on standard DVD. Frankly, I think that DVD has a lot of life left in it and am starting to wonder when and if newer disk based format will ultimately succeed. Still, I'd like to see BR become more mainstream. It would be nice to view the best possible HD image contained on a small portable disk.So, if I understand your last post, "NEW" video formats are marketed "AT" the youth market and damm anyone over the age of 40? If that is the case, I should stick with the millions of existing DVD titles that will play in my current DVD player.
Do you really think that older people once they reach a certain age no longer upgrade to newer technology? If that was the case, would we not see many more old black and white TV's still being used?
Artistically, all art being subjective, is there something wrong with films from an earlier era? Or is it that since most of the actors on these older movies are now dead and not good fodder for Access Hollywood?
Then I guess I shall have to suffer with my OLD FASHIONED Meridian 596 DVD machine and associated Runco monitor..... What a pitty!
55-65 crowd? Well, I have quite a few years until the age of 55 thank you! But again, I prefer to watch the film presentation at the highest possible quality (within my budget) and not so much the equipment.Is there something wrong with older people, the baby boomers? Their generation at present has more money than the younger generations.
VHS? You gotta be kidding! I dumped VHS over a decade ago. When I did VHS, it was for time shifting.
You'd be surprised that some in the younger generation who do enjoy older and newer movies. I think that this "film crowd that I associate with, a local Las Vegas film society has a wide age range but tilts from the 40's to the 20's, seems typically to have a graduate degree, culture, and an intellect that rejects simple minded pop culture. I doubt that this crowd would watch American Idol or most of those BR disks that Sony is discounting.
What is amusing is that so many who fall for "American Culture" presume that everything new is good and that everything old is bad. Hardly the case.
Actually, I was pulling for Blu-Ray and had for about six months a Sony BD player. Unfortunately, it died under warranty so, it went back.What I really find interesting is that when I go over to LA and go to a couple of movie theaters where they play old movies, it is astounding who young the people are, 20's 40's. Film students?
Just can't figure out many of today's popular films that seem to rely on a heavy dose of special effects, questionable plot Oh, I forgot: It has been noted by film critics - the TV, newspaper, magazine kind, "That Hollywood movies these days cater to 16 year old males."
So, I guess that leave those of us who are a bit older than that and who have a fair degree of education to watch the "Old Foggie" movies.
In the long term, I guess we'll have to sit back and see if Blu-Ray, HD DVD or some other type of HD format make it in the market.
Here is my question: At the beginning of this thread regarding Sony's BD sale, mostly contemporary movies which I dislike, whey is Sony discounting them? Why are the "young smart" people not snapping up as fast as they can be pressed?Just a question.........
What films would you recommend for BD?
Eventually (hopefully) more of the older catalog titles will end up on HD. I can't guaranty all of your list, but perhaps some of it. The whole point of the "next generation", is to get us to rebuy catalog titles. The studios are already making lots of $$$ on new releases, they want us to replace our collections (again) with HD. Unfortunately, because the #1 bD player is a game console, the target audience tends to be skewed towards a younger croud. As a result, older catalog titles tend not to sell well in HD. The big sellers seem to be comic book type movies and such.
Pity.
Jack
As someone who doesn't collect Britney Spears and Coldplay albums (i'm making an assumption here), you should be used to mainstream America ignoring your tastes. We live in a culture that considers Transformers fine cinema. Blu-ray is worth supporting. Hopefully it will last long enough so that all of our favorites--new and old-- see the light of day.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Great point! Regarding Transformers, that cinematic masterpiece, a few bits and pieces were filmed at Kirkland AFB and a few active Air Force types were in it as extras. Speaking to a friend at Kirkland recently, a lot of folks thought it quite the movie or quite the joke. It is simply amazing that a movie, that is really a two hour commercial for 1980's era Japanese toys, was made into a movie, then I presume made millions at the box office. Then we wonder why America is in the state that it currently finds itself.....
With my current Meridian DVD player, I am going to sit out the HD wars, and hope that Blu-Ray wins. Then after the high end manufactuers get into the game and release their 3rd 4th or 5th generation Blu-Ray machines, and when more real films are released on the format, I shall again jump into the Blu-Ray game.
I just find it really really funny that most think that only old people watch old films. For me, the enjoyment and appreciation started in a film class during high school.
The Criterion Collection, a company that releases classic films on to DVD is itself sitting on the sidelines until a clear picture emerges regarding the HD format issues.
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