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The 1080p Kuros are the best displays I've seen but the,,,

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In Reply to: RE: Display Quality, What Am I Missing? posted by Vic D on March 29, 2008 at 08:21:56

...Sony XBR Bravia LCDs are the best LCDs I've seen. And I've looked at these a LOT since the Kuros came out. A friend has a Kuro and I'd arm wrestle him for it, or maybe more. ;-)
I concur with other posters - if the whites on the Pio were greenish something was very wrong. The color purity is one of the best things about the Kuros, along with the black blacks...and most important to me personally, the shadow detail. Some of my favorite movies have dark scenes and the Kuros kill all the flat screen competition. LCDs do better with brighlty lit source material. That said, the latest Sony Bravia LCDs have better darks and shadow detail than any other LCD I've seen, including the Sharp Aquos. Not as good as the Kuros, but the best of LCD.
LCDs are super sharp, almost hyper sharp, and very bright. The joys of plasma are like movies - plasma looks more filmlike to me, therefor more pleasing to my eyes. LCDs are a bit more "video-like" to me. So if you're mainly watching sports and T based material, maybe this isn't such a big deal to you like it is to me. If you end up with the Sony you've still got a great display.
If you watch a lot of film based material, then I think you might like the look of the plasma better long term,
If you have a regular BB somewhere nearby, head over there. Even the BBs near me that don't have Magnolias do have the Kuros, Bravia XRBs and TOTL Pannies on the floor.
Just be sure if you go to a bbig box store you're comparing apples to apples, that the displays are all 1080p (Kuro also comes in 720p). And don't judge the sets with a digital animated movie. All HDTVs look wonderful with that material, so watch it with movies or sports or whatever you normally watch, something that puts them through their paces. (For me, that is DVDs of Master & Commander and Dark City).

Edits: 04/01/08

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RE: The 1080p Kuros are the best displays I've seen but the,,, - Spinner 14:57:27 04/04/08 (4)
I agree with you that the Kuro-Elite in 50"(?) is the best Plasma I've seen. But with Pioneer getting out of the plasma screen manufacturing business and selling the 'Kuro' technology to Panasonic and others(?) do you think it's better to wait for next years models rather than rush-out to grab one of the few Kuros remaining?

I read somewhere that Panasonic plans on taking the Kuro picture to the next level of contrast- a picture that will outshine the Pioneer. Of course, the prices will be up there but it seems to make sense to just wait for the new arrivals at the end of the year.

Thoughts?
- that's not correct - Joe Murphy Jr 15:37:04 04/04/08 (3)
  Pioneer will not be manufacturing the plasma screens after the Gen 9 models (the next Pioneer models to be released). Panasonic will begin manufacturing screens for them after that.
  
  Pioneer is not selling the Kuro technology. They will give Panasonic the designs for the plasmas and Panasonic will manufacture the screens to their specifications.
  
  Panasonic, Pioneer and Hitachi have collaborated on a new technology called "10-lumen tech". All three have access to the technology because all three jointly developed it. Expect the plasma screens that incorporate this new technology to differ by electronics only.
  - RE: that's not correct - Spinner 20:03:50 04/04/08 (2)
    This whole situation is like a riddle that keeps unfolding. If I read in the news that Pioneer is getting out of the plasma business I assume they're 'getting out'. If this Gen9 is in the works, how will it differ from what is out there now by Pioneer? Will it be a better technology or just more of the same until the '10-tech' ( which I hear is really something to see ) hits the market?
    
    It almost seems the Japnese have a little 'shell' game going here. As long as they keep us guessing and bewildered about their intentions our appetite for their new products will keep flourishing.
    
    Glad to see somebody understands the marketing structure of future HD TV production as well as you do. As for me, I'll continue to watch the walls of HD TV's at 'Best Buy' and pretend I know what's happening.
    - that's what the employees do - Joe Murphy Jr 22:08:56 04/07/08 (0)
      Best Buy employees ("...and pretend I know what's happening."), of course.
      
      Lots of misinformation comes from rumors, misunderstood press releases and so-called insiders. If you look at Pioneer's press releases concerning this matter, I don't think it's confusing at all. Then again, here we are...
    - Confusing isn't it ? - unclestu52 18:04:56 04/06/08 (0)
      Remember before flat screens came out, Hitachi manufactured 90% of all picture tubes produced in Japan, preferring to OEM rather than to build exclusively for their own use. The use of Pioneer of Panasonic plasmas is nothing unusual. In fact most of Sony's LCDS are built by Sam Sung, IIRC.
      
      Stu

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