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In Reply to: RE: more to consider posted by Joe Murphy Jr on July 21, 2008 at 18:22:29
Thanks....you're making my life difficult. 8^) Tweeter is selling a 52" Samsung LCD (LN52A550) for $1959 and throwing in a Samsung blu-ray DVD player.
I'm considering that and the Panasonic Viera 50" plasma (50PZ85U), also $1950 but I don't get the player
I'm going over there tomorrow to view both
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If you are interested in 'tweakability' the Samsung 550/650 series plasmas far exceed Panasonic in that regard. ISF techs love them because they can be tweaked almost entirely through the user menu. The control over color accuracy and gamma exceeds Panasonic or entry level Pioneer (5010, 5020, etc.)
The 3 by the way, are considered the top plasmas on the consumer market today.
Go with Pioneer for the best black levels, and very good color, and very good processing.
Panasonic for good out of the box performance, and 2nd best black levels.
The Samsung for good black levels, probably average for today's plasmas, but the best color accuracy and gamma. And don't underestimate the value of gamma.
Check out the latest edition of Widescreen Review for the Samsung 550 review and calibration, and the link below.
I have a 5000 duo player, and it is flawless..basically playing any format I throw at it with finesse. Samsung turned the corner this year in jumping on firmware releases and hopefully in customer support.
I've not had a lot of faith with them in the past, and for good reason.
Right now it's my T-9 non-iPod player, the 5000, and the PN50A650 plasma soon to arrive. So far, not a single complaint.
What bothers me most about Sony is their bent on making interfaces proprietary. I just sold my rear proj. LCD sony.. which did very well.
I really think their biggest accomplishment on the consumer front was the Trinitron tube. LOL
A very good one at that!
The Panny PZ85 is the best bang for the buck out there right now. If you buy it you will not be disappointed.
...beware that Sammy BR player.Some big box store somewhere near you is always running a special or a sale. I mean it, take your time. Look until you can tell the difference between displays.
I don't game, so burn-in isn't an issue for me, although I don't think it's much of an issue for plasmas anymore.
If you watch mainly brightly lit source material, like sports and TV shows, maybe the blacks and shadow detail on LCDs won't matter to you like they're deal killers for me. There are no perfect displays - yet.
Seriously, I know how hard it is not to pull the trigger when you want a new TV, but do your research first.
It's double jeopardy!
Seriously, I'm willing to bet that your choice would be much easier if you brought over a calibration disc and had both of them set up properly. In the store, neither is anywhere close to being correct.
As has been said by several people, take your time. I'll add that you shouldn't make any decisions based on what the salesman tells you and don't feel pressured to make a decision ASAP. If you can, take some familiar DVDs to compare on each display. If one of those DVDs is a calibration disc, all the better.
Good luck with your display journey and, most of all, be confident that you'll be happy with the purchase. Your display is the last thing you should be thinking about when trying to enjoy your movie collection.
CC has the Panasonic for $1699. As suggested take your time. I almost bought the Panasonic myself, but decided to go with a 52 Sharp Aquos instead...no worries about burn in. I see a lot of LCD bashing..lol. That's OK I still enjoy mine. No major problems with motion blurring. No more than a Plasma digital chipping.Depending on the processing of the LCD, will determine the motion artifacts. Unless you watch a lot of live sports 120 Hz refresh rate is useless.
If you ever plan to use this flat panel for a PC monitor or games. The LCD is still the better option. LCDs have come a long ways in the last few years.
I own both a plasma and LCD. Nothing wrong with Samsung. They make some killer panels. Those new LCD Samsung's have a terrific picture!
My only gripe with Plasma's is the burn in and the noise some of them give off. Less weight and heat are also better with the LCDs.
My 52 inch LCD is 62 pounds while the Plasma 42 inch is just under 100.
So pick your poison..there's no perfect panel whether LCD or Plasma.
Burn in really isnt much of an issue with plasma TV anymore. The early ones did have a problem, but the ones produced today seem much better in that regard. This is backed up by Consumer Reports, as well.
From Consumer Reports..."(Burn-in might have been more of a problem with early plasma sets. We've seen no evidence of permanent image retention in our short-term tests, and recent anecdotal evidence from our own staffers and online forum participants hasn't turned up any burn-in issues in typical long-term use at home.)"
Yeah that's what the salesman told me before I bought my unit. It still had burn in...which didn't take long. On a positive note, once I stopped using it with my PC and it sat unused and unplugged for a few days the burn in was gone.As long as I don't use it this way any more, burn in shouldn't be a problem.
My LCD shows absolutely no signs of burn in... not even a hint.
For people just using the plasma's for watching TV..they should be fine.
If it went away, then it wasnt really burn in. Real burn in is there to stay. You probably had a type of 'persistance', where a ghost of the image stays for a short time due to the persistance of the phospher. I have even seen this in LCDs (my computer monitors). If I have something on screen for a long time, I can see a ghosting of it afterwards. It slowly fades away after the guilty application is closed. After 10 min. or so, its gone.
Yeah that was the problem with my plasma. Unfortunately the image wouldn't fade away after ten minutes. Not even after several hours. It wasn't until I replaced it with the LCD and completely unplugged it... did it clear up.I can leave my LCD on an image for hours..no ghosting or image retention at all...zero.
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