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A buddy of mine invited me over to watch his new 120Hz TV last night (Samsung). We watched some HDTV and Dark Knight BD. My first impressions:
-Pos: VERY clear. Text, edges etc are very sharp, concise
-Neg: Cartoon like almost
This is where the problem lied with me. Neither the HD broadcasts we scanned through or the movie looked as real as any of our standard CRT's, LCD's or even my 4 year old Infocus X1 projector. I was positive with my feedback to him as he just poured out the moula, but as soon as I got in the car I asked my wife what she thought. "I don't know, it looked fake to me. Not as good even as our TV's. Sharper, more defined, yes. But not nice to watch".
What's the deal? Brand new high-end technology, yes? Anybody else experience the same? Good explanation?
Edits: 03/09/09Follow Ups:
Saw some ads for Sony? 240Hz refresh rate.
E.g. Plasma, DLP, LCOS ?
I've never taken a liking to LCD. The Pioneer Kuro ? You betcha.
If you can't stand LCD, you may have to move quickly to adopt the other technologies; LCD is driving everyone else to extinction, at least in the thin/flat panel arena.
I'm not looking at this point, it was just an observation. Although I'd like to have a flat screen in our sunroom to save space, and maybe even our bedroom, my CRT's pictures are fine with me. I'm not really much of a videophile.
I was more bothered by the fact that this new tech TV had such a strange picture. I'll likely not replace my TV's until they die, which who knows, may be soon:
-Sunroom TV; 27" Hitachi CRT. My first TV actually! 20+ years old, but it's fine for the sunroom until we can swing an LCD (non 120Hz, hehe) or something.
-Bedroom TV; 35" Sony CRT. Around 10-11 years old now. I built in a spot above our (split level entry 70's home) front hall closet. So it's not actually taking any space. It's fine.
-Downstairs extra room has my wife's first TV, ~15 year old RCA. It's a piece of turd, but we never watch it.
-PJ is the old X1. Not HD. It's fine for my eyes until it (or the bulb) dies
-19" LCD at the bar in the same room. Just for fun, don't actually USE it.
So yes, it'd be nice to replace the sunroom TV some day....
In fact, he gave away a CRT in anticipation of an HDTV upgrade. He's still hemming and hawing because he hasn't seen anything he likes. He wants "CRT-like" performance only with higher (HD) resolution and he wants a bright 100+ inch screen in a non-light controlled room. Good look with that. I think there's a 100" flat panel for a mere $70,000....Color saturation seems to be his biggest pet peeve and felt Laservue was the only technology which comes close to doing it right; except the only glimpse of a Laservue he's seen was a brief one before a pre-production unit crapped out in the showroom and with the production issues Mitsubishi has been having.... it'll be awhile.
A 19" CRT started to crap out on me which gave me the excuse to canvas HDTVs. When I started looking, Pioneer Kuro Plasmas looked the best to me. I wanted to give Laservue a chance but I haven't seen one utilizing a variety of sources, particularly sports broadcast (where LCDs have never shined IMHO) YMMV.
Edits: 03/11/09
Once I make up my mind to do something it's done! I hummed (hemmed?) and hawed over BD for a while. The day I decided to go ahead I bought one. Not the next day, that day. So if and when it's time to buy a new TV it'll go like wildfire. :)
Neither the 120Hz or HD has anything to do with the cartoon like images that you are seeing. Both are for making the picture look more realistic not like cartoons. Some reviewers do whine and cry about the 120Hz making the picture too smooth because it doesn't have the flicker effect that they're used to with movies. I don't get that, isn't real life smooth? The cartoon look is from the color and other adjustments being out of whack. That's the way most displays come from the manufacturers - colors over saturated, brightness turned up too high... It makes them look good to people in the stores. Your buddy needs to sit down and spend some time adjusting things like color, tint, contrast, brightness, tone, etc. and it will look as good as just about any other LCD. If he can't get it to look right he can hire an ISF technician to come out and adjust it properly (approximately $350).
I agree 100% with everything you said.
I also have a Samsung, 650 series. At first it was just too good. It was distracting. I couldn't watch a movie without being pulled out due to the very sharp picture and vivid colors. Now, I am used to it and really, really enjoy it. Once you get used to it, standard TV is a joke. I always watch the HD channels, don't even check the standard resolution ones.
DVD vs Blu ray is a bit different. A modern Blu Ray player upsampling a DVD brings it up a notch making it quite passable.
We'll have to agree to disagree about global warming until the next global cooling scare comes along
He doesn't have it calibrated correctly.
Well if that is the case then Samsung's next generation of 240 Hz LCDs should be all but unwatchable.
Many video "experts" say LCD TVs look better on most programming with the 120 hz thing and other picture enchancing gizmos turned off.
And what film-watchers say about LCD in general. You never know though, he may have exacerbated the less-desirable effects by having some of the "enhancement" modes on (they usually sound good by the manual). For the intended market and use of LCDs, the 120Hz does offer some benefits though, depends what you're watching.
I thought maybe we were nuts. I have to admit our LCD is just a 19" at the bar, so it's not a good comparison. And I'll admit that overall, "walking through the mall" past the Sony store, etc, I've never really been too impressed with LCD. I've always found them somewhat cartoon-like. That said, I'd still love to have one in our sunroom instead of the clumsy CRT just because of size, etc.
Replaced a "perfectly good" CRT-based display with a plasma. OK OK, I admit the plasma is pretty good, can't really find any visual fault to it though I have tried. Not quite as easy on the eyes as CRT in some way I can't exactly say. Probably just because of so many decades of CRT conditioning...
For a sunroom you'd definitely need LCD. Unless you only watch in the sunroom at night... I mostly watch movies, and only in the evening, so my display technology choice was simple.
Southern exposure, lots of windows, no shade trees within window areas. Thanks for the tip! :)
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