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He claims it's the best TV he's seen since the (hard to find) Mitsu Laservue. At first glance, it looked terrific with a lot of 3-D "Pop". Then I started to notice that "National Museum" looked far more "cartoonish" than I remembered it. Slapped in "Deja Vu", (this time, remembered to fix the Blu-ray output to 1080p (I suspect 480p output with "National Museum" might have messed things up); okay, this looks pretty good too. Off-axis view was okay but you could see the colors weren't quite as bright sitting in the side couch off-center. Still, I was beginning to think I should have waited for this TV before I sprung for a significantly more expensive TV a couple of months back.Went back home and looked at the same movies on the Pioneer Elite 151 Kuro. Okay, much better "presentation" on the Kuro IMHO with not nearly the "cartoonish" effects. I forgot how "satisfying" the picture was without the toooooo noticeable "pop" (and motion blur) I've seen with LCD displays.
Could be a matter of taste; buddy does not think much of the Kuros: reds "washed out" (like every other TV he's seen except the Laservue and Samsung), not bright enough and claims to see (DLP-ish?) "rainbows" (???), generates too much heat etc.
Still, the Samsung LED was the "least objectionable" of the non-Plasma flat panels I've looked at. I'd like to see how it handles motion artifacts with your typical HD satellite Sports broadcast. YMMV.
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knocked my socks off. Of course it was fish in an aquarium, but still, a great picture and far better than the similar Sony which BB had wisely put across the room. I think a side by side would have been embarrassing for the Sony.
Nothing obvious wrong with the Kuro's, but I would lean towards the Samsung myself if I were in the market right now. Colors look so much more vivid to me, making everything else out there look washed out IMO.
Maybe it's Plasma's "black-levels" which cause me to prefer the Plasmas to LCDs.
Motion artifacts used to drive me crazy with LCDs but they have gotten a lot better at it. I didn't notice too much with the 240 Hz Samsungs but I've yet to see it with typical HD Sports broadcasts.
There's a difference between locally dimming LED backlit TVs like the 950 Samsung and Sony XBR-8 and edge mounted LED backlit TVs like the new Samsung "000" models. The edge mount LED TVs don't do blacks as well as locally dimming LED TVs and according to many enthusiasts have worse problems with uniformity (flashlighting and backlight bleedthrough) than the Samsungs that use conventional backlighting.
It appears that Samsung is happy for you to think that edge mounted LEDs have equal performence to locally dimming LED backlit TVs.
When I'm in the market again. I'll definitely keep an eye out for a locally dimming LED TV. Thanks for the info!
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Black levels are so close now...doesn't look like much an issue with the newer LCD-LEDs being released. Plasma's are about to become a thing of the past very soon.It won't stop me from enjoying my own plasma or back light LCD. But as soon as its time to upgrade televisions the LED will be first on my list.
The cartoonish look I think is just a matter of adjustments with your eyes/brain and the TV itself. I'm sure after spending a long period of time with it..you wouldn't want to watch anything else. lol
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If, as you say black levels are so close, to a Kuro there's still the motion blur issue, no?. Like the Betamax, the demise of the plasma is due, in part, to its marketing not its performance. Plasma=$$$, I'm not aware of any marketing campaign that informed the public of the value and superior PQ of the current plasmas. I'm guessing the margins are much greater producing LCD's. Letting the plasma go seems to be good business sense.
Until something much better comes along rather than simply as good as a plasma, I'm glad I've got mine. After growing up with Howdy Doody, twin lead, horizontal hold, and the Trinitrons, by comparison my Elite is simply stunning and it could easily be the last TV I'll need.
"I'm not aware of any marketing campaign that informed the public of the value and superior PQ of the current plasmas."
That plasmas are superior across the board is a matter of opinion not fact. And you assume that someone who makes a different choice than you is ignorant and that is not true.
Many of the people buying LCDs are as enthusiastic and knowedgeable about video as you, they just get turned off-on by different things than you. For instance I detect a fine film of noise on good plasmas that I don't see on good LCDs. That noise bothers me far more than motion problems. The LCD TVs I recently bought are noted for their accurate color in movie mode and several plasmas are noted for inaccurate color in any mode.
If I'd wanted a plasma I would have bought one. And I don't need some marketing campaign to tell me what to like.
Well, I'm glad I didn't rely on your ability to detect that fine film noise or notably inaccurate plasm color, instead relying on the many technically measured reviews and my own two eyeballs. My plasma simply blows away my LCD.
What ever you want to watch is fine with me. Like everybody else here I'm just shareing my experience and opinion.
I'm hoping I can live with the Kuro for the next decade or so. We shall see.
Now about that FP display upgrade...
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