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In Reply to: RE: The unfogivable has happened . . . posted by Billy Wonka on July 14, 2019 at 13:06:30
Does anybody really give a good poop about Bond anymore?!? That was sooo last century. I mean really, if they didn't make this "controversial" move how in the holy hell would they get people to even pay attention, let alone come to the theater?
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The last few Bond movies didn't fare well in the theaters?
IMO, the franchise began to die with Thunderball. Rigor mortise fully set in with Diamonds. After the Casino reboot, I honestly had high hopes it heralded the resurrection of the series, but then it went straight into the crapper with the second effort. Too bad, but it's gone.
A quick search (other results may vary), including inflation, shows Skyfall in 2012 as the highest grossing Bond film ever. Spectre in 2015 is 4th.
You may not like them, but by no means are they in the crapper.
As I said before, some are very corny, but still enjoyable...
Are those inflation adjusted? And since when is the crap level measured by how much money they gross?According to Box Office Mojo, Sky grossed $1.1b compared to an inflation adjusted Thunderball at $1.05b. So in 47 years, they've made virtually no progress on and inflation adjusted basis.
If you enjoy the films that's fine by me. I don't particularly care for them. The ones I enjoy the most are the first three. They were the most true to the Fleming books. For me they're the best because they're carried by their underlying story and the shear gravitas of the character. They were spy stories with a bit of fantasy thrown in. Each successive film became more fantasy and gimmickry, and less and less about spy and frankly less about Bond. That's why I had such high hopes that the Casino reboot was a return to the original balance between spy and fantasy. Sadly, it didn't turn out that way with the following Craig films.
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I generally perceive "in the crapper" as something failing financially. Otherwise it's simply subjective. If you view that term subjectively then carry on. As I also said, Connery is still my fave, so it's not like I care one way or the other. I do feel the new ones are fine to some degree; I did not like them all...
i doubt these guys complaining even go to movies. Most of these guys watch video at home and complain about modernity.
You seem like a pretty all knowing guy. What a clever thing so say.
I saw Moby Dick (the original) on the Big Screen.
Go jump in the lake.
I do...so just shut up
Disagree. With arrival of Daniel Craig the franchise re-invented itself and it's the only watchable Bond in the whole history of the series.
Now, the question is , will the girl 007 be lesbian and the series will continue the tradition of so called "Bond girls" or she is going to date some male losers?
The most reassuring fact is that no matter who is on the cover the money stream will always flow to the same, small circle of people and the public will get the bare bone.
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also as a fashion icon. Those Bond omega watches still sell well.
To me he was the least cartoonish of any Bonds. Good WASP's entertainment which is obviously deemed reactionary and racist now.
The wheels will turn around when Hollywood will reach the intellectual depths of Bollywood .
ROTFLOL... SO true!!!! THAT is the funniest thing I've read in a long time!!!! As for Daniel Craig, I heard ALOT of women in the audience audibly gasp when he rose out of the water in Casino Royale... I believe it was Dame Judi Dench that commented after seeing Craig dress in his trailer that "it's an absolute monster" but quickly added "maybe I should not have said that".... Too late Judi, now everyone knows....
Judi Densch is a fine actress, but another example of the long deep demise. M was a male and a very important and central figure in the series. He was a former admiral in the British Navy during WWII, and his name wasn't even revealed until late in the series. He was deeply revered by Bond.
What the point was of changing M's character to a female is totally beyond me.
I guess to add Ms. Dench who has considerable acting chops to the mix... I actually liked Judi Dench as M both with Brosnan and Craig.... I thought they made a good pair in both cases.... Dench made M a more integral character in the series IMO..... Before M was not as important of a character to the plots.....
So, there were no male actors who could have done that?
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