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In Reply to: RE: Right. Because no one in real life curses. So it's totally posted by powermatic on June 13, 2007 at 16:56:10
And by the way, maybe you do, but none of the hundreds of people I know has a mouth anywhere near as foul as the average R character. Sure, you hit your finger and... or trip and fall and...
Perhaps you don't think that curse-laden dialog displaces colorful writing?
clark
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No. Words is words. well written foul language can be quite colorful.
Why do I suppose "Hollywood" makes so many unprofitable R movies? 1. It's hard to make a profitable movie regardless of the rating. 2. R rated movies have a built in limiation to their audience. Like I said before, it aint rocket science.
was sarcastic, but I think that using Michael Medved as a cultural model is akin to asking Rush Limbaugh for dietary advice. I have virtually zero respect for him as a reviewer, because he carries so much religious/political baggage, and is more-than-willing to expose it in his reviews.
As far as coarse language in film, perhaps it's all subjective. As much as I liked 'The Big Lebowski', the constant f-word usage drove me nuts! Yet, perhaps ironically, the constant cursing in 'Deadwood' seems entirely appropriate to the mood/atmosphere of the setting. Why the difference? Who the hell knows, but I think that's why movies are movies, and we need to just let their makers do what they will. In the end, we as the viewers decide what is appropriate. Can you imagine a movie about the mafia without cursing? Of course not-though 'The Godfather' exhibited much less of it than 'The Sopranos'. Which is right-only you can decide.
Vaya con dios
The man lost forty pounds! And you refuse to recognize this?
But back to the point: I was not using MM as "a cultural model;" that's your fantasy. I simply noted that he had numerous times (for which he provides actual *data*) discussed the *fact* that while H'wood makes good money on "clean" fare, somehow they still persist in making money-losing F-bomb fare.
I was asking, What's up with that?
"Can you imagine a movie about the mafia without cursing?" No, but I can imagine a world without f'n mafia movies.
clark
benefits along with it's mood altering effects.
And Medved's "research" is so flawed as to be laughable. One could just as easily find "data" that "proves" that movies with, say, a higher percentage of green-eyed, blonde latinos have a higher gross (but slightly lower net) than those films whose second leads are three-legged dogs. That's not research-it's manipulation to forward his cultural (there's that word again) model to the gullible, and, not coincidentally, fatten his wallet. You know-sort of like Rush!
But hey, if that awful language bothers you so much, just get a Clearplay DVD player. Your tender psyche will no longer be subjected to that rough-as-a-cob cursin'. You win-heck, we all win!
"....I can imagine a world without f'n mafia movies."
Well, if your film world doesn't include the 'Godfather' trilogy, it's a sadder world for it.
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either f-word quotient or box office gross.
Which is why your argument is so....odd.
R rated movies do not do as well. One need look no further than the top 100 all time international B.O
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Only 12 of them are rated R. How many of those top 100 movies do you think are great movies? I probably like a lot more of them than you do. Is this what you want? The Titanic, Spiderman 4 Batman the next generation 2 and Mr & Mrs. Smith?
Making movies is always a gamble. The big budget sequels sometimes bring in hundreds of millions, and sometimes they don't. They cost a fortune to make. Smaller cheaper movies that appeal to adult audiences can also be financially successful. An R-rated movie like Once, made for a pittance, can become a breakout hit...as it seems to be doing. And why would one change the all but perfect dialog in such a movie for a PG-13 rating? Their decision to retain the R language has turned out to be a correct one on both artistic and commercial grounds.
c
It is possible movie producers care more about artistic and creative achievement than money. Most producers already have plenty of money.
It is possible they find the study flawed and disbelieve its conclusions.
It is probable that they evaluate each potential movie investment on its own merits as a unique and individual set of risks and potential benefits.
The truth is the suits find the studies to be quite credible and push film makers to make movies PG-13. The film makers don't give a shit so much about B.O. and just want to make the movie they had in mind which often includes content that leads to an R rating. Sometimes the movie makers win sometimes the suits win.
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