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In Reply to: RE: Pretty bad news. Sequels and prequels usually suck. nt posted by tinear on December 19, 2010 at 14:39:22
although I'd make the case that they are completely different genres
(horror vs. action/adventure). Alien 3 and 4 were, of course, awful.
Well, we'll see how this one comes out. I like having Scott in the
director's chair.
MK
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Ian Holm, John Hurt, Harry Dean Stanton and Yaphet Kotto, compared to Paul Reiser and Bill Paxton in Aliens.
Aliens is fun but has annoying qualities like the space marines (or whatever they were called) were obnoxious and way overplayed and the storyline went all over the place. In comparison Alien is a concise classic story, dripping in atmosphere and tension.
Phil
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That includes the star of the film; the Alien itself. The original Giger creature inspired real terror. It was almost an abstract force, whereas the 'Aliens' were basically a shooting gallery collection of pop-up disposable space roaches. The cute lit'l Face Hugger scurrying around the infirmary in "Aliens" was a bit more lively than the sushi-platter version in the first film, so that's something, at least.
I worked on Aliens. We were given all the original molds from Alien as a reference and some of the original suit material and an original face hugger. While the designs were nothing short of extraordinary (Giger is easily one of if not the most influential non makeup effects artist in the world of makeup effects)the execution was crude to say the least. We were all pretty shocked. It had to be shot in shadows so as to not show how poorly constructed it was. Much like the ever breaking mechanical shark in Jaws. It may have been a blessing in disguise.
:^D
Phil
...in Aliens really annoyed the crap outa me - space grunts seem to feature large in Big Jim's action films...alas. They annoyed me in Avatar too.
dozens if not hundreds are killed, endlessly repeated, and almost always having the "good guys" far better marksmen than the foes. How fearsome can an enemy be if a dozen of them shooting at something as massive as Chewie cannot hit their mark from a distance a pre-teen boy with a slingshot would prove lethal?
Not seeing the connection to Aliens.
Classic horror/sci-fi film; suspense, shock, terror. Aliens was a shoot'em'up. In some ways almost as good; entertaining, but overall the original was easily the best overall film IMO.
I also really liked The Thing. The special effects could have been better, but it's also full of suspense... Haven't seen it for a few years now, unsure if I'd still like it as much.
I presume you mean the Carpenter remake? I love the special effects - they were all done pre-CGI and show the skill of Hollywood SPFX guys (before they were replaced by computer nerds).
Be sure to get the Blu-Ray version of The Thing. It looks fantastic, even after all these years. There's a great doco on the extras detailing how they did the special effects.
BTW, I also think Alien is far better than Aliens. Have you got the Aliens Blu-Ray box set? Again, fabulous. A gazillion hours of extras.
I do recall when I first saw it (the first few times) I thought the special effects were amazing. Saw a snip of it recently and it didn't appear as much so. But thanks to your push I think I will buy it on BlueRay. I own maybe 30 movies total, not a collector type, so that's saying something about the movie. :) I'll have to buy Alien also.
We haven't been replaced yet. Most of the key artists from John Carpenter's The Thing are still in the business doing makeup effects. Most of them are good friends of mine
Please tell them that the 'head melting off the body and turning into a spidery-thing' is the coolest SPFX I've ever seen!
Very cool.
Tell them that some guy named Grant in BC Canada really appreciates the work they did and do. :)
The original used art, atmosphere and mood to draw you in, mesmerize, terrorize and haunt your dreams while the second installment used machine guns to blow a hole in the whole concept...IMO.
J.B.
I do really like ALIENS but it is not the classic that ALIEN is. The first movie had lots of what used to be called "atmosphere" and was genuinely creepy. It builds suspense until it snaps. ALIENS was very in your face. It's loud and predictable and geared for a younger audience who don't/won't have the patience for the exposition of the original film.
ALIEN is a classic and ALIENS a very good film; the rest are worthless, imho.
(nt)
Alien is a superior movie in every way to me. For sheer atmosphere and artistry, it's one of the best horror movies ever.
Ifyou're an action movie fan, I can see why you'd enjoy Aliens. I've read the arguments many times that say it's a case of a sequel bettering the original, but they're really apples and oranges. I don't much care for Aliens - it's well made but it's also got most of what I dislike about JC displayed rather prominently.
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