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First, I have not read the books, so each episode is an adventure...and this has been hard to watch...even when they flinch the camera and don't show you everything...
Only 6 characters bought it last night...this series has more storylines, characters and the highest production value of anything I have ever seen produced for television...
As a fan, we expect a couple of characters not to make into the next season...Martian will take a meat cleaver to ANY characters arc...then say now deal with it...
Many are sick of the shock and awe plot themes...I am personally still disseminating the whole thing...I really don't know how I feel about it all...density of story and scope with this MANY players, it is somewhat overwhelming...
Cersei Lannister naked walk of shame last night, that lasted soooo long, it made me, actually physically squirm in my chair...that was ruff...(fyi, she used a body double, but a nice one), don't worry ladies there is also some full frontal male nudity on the same walk...female fans have been complaining...
Jamie Lannister and his surprising normal daughter, born out of incest with his sister Cersei...uhg...did not make back to Kings Landing due to a murderous former future mother in-law...just typing that sounds crazy...This will just add to next seasons Cersei's revenge on EVERYONE...
Ari Stark goes full blown John Wick with an oyster knife on a pedophile, who was on her "list" to kill...she cackles and enjoys this waaaay too much...really scary and violent...when she gets back to Room of Faces in The House of Black and White...it gets funky...she does end up blind, but she is still my odds on favor to end up on the Iron Throne...with Daenery a close second, but for this author, she seems to be too much of the obvious choice...
Stannis Baratheon balls were bigger than his brain...met his end attacking Winterfell...no surprise here...but keeper of the Stark's honor... Brienne of Tarth, as close to the Valkyrie as you will see for female woman warrior...avenges Ned Stark with one swing of Jamie Lannisters sword...thank you good night
Sansa Stark and her eunuch cousin Reek try to leave Winterfell and escape the completely twisted Ramsay Bolton...they jump off the castle to no resolution...we do not know if they are alive or dead...my guess is alive and they are not included in the 6 character body count...
Daenerys Targaryen made the greatest exit in TV history last week, when she climbed on Drogon, one of her dragons, and flew to safety...I have been waiting for that moment when she would finally ride a dragon...BUT she now finds herself in the middle of nowhere surrounded by the Dothraki, whom her dead husband was the leader of and Fathered the dragons, I think...with her dragon, Drogon too tired to fight and wounded...she wonders off when she gets surrounded by the Dothraki, whom she took the dragons away from...I believe Drogon will wake up and come to her rescue, that will make the Dothraki her allies...did you get all that???
This brings us finally to Jon Snow...noble and wise, with a big picture perspective that no one at Castle Black remotely understands...his mercy and semi-loyalty to the Wildings has ultimately become his bane...this is what happens when men take vows of celibacy...the ol'Knights Watch gets a little testy...this brings us to our Julius Caesar moment...et tou Brute...literally...they lure him to coming running when they tell him, his Uncle is still alive...then line up to take turns stabbing him...all saying..."For the Watch" just prior to stabbing him...all the way down to Brutus, aka young Olly, whom he saved, but the Wildings killed his parents...this was the final blow...how is that for dramatic??!!??
BUT
Good thing Melisandre is around, those Red Clerics know how to resurrect the dead. She wanders back into Castle Black from Winterfell after Stannis Baratheon got his butt kicked...convincing Stannis would win if he sacrificed his daughter who had royal blood...so she is 0-1 in predictions...we will see if Jon Snow is going to be brought back to life...but the show runners are saying dead is dead for Jon Snow...this could go either way...
I know this all sounds like complete gibberish...some really crazy crap going on here...but there is hangs...
This type of genre is typically not my cup of tea...I am not a medieval fantasy kind of dude...did not care for LoTR, visually stunning just did not care about the characters and the story telling...
GOT did get under my skin...this is a circuit board of plot lines, stories, landscapes and most of all very well defined characters...well cast and acted overall...
I have left out or missed allot...like to see what others thought about this wicked ride...
thanks
Mark
Follow Ups:
Pumping the brakes...but semi-stoked...
Thanks
Mark
I recently subscribed to HBO. Kinda late, only caught the last two episodes.
And then I noticed that I could watch the entire season on-demand through the service I have (Frontier FIOS).
So over a period of one and 1/2 weeks I watched episodes 1 through 10 of season 5. Complete. Interesting. Perhaps better to watch it this way than to be strung out over a period of months waiting for the next episode. Anyway, this is my first exposure to GOT.
Great series. As already mentioned in this thread, the production values are incredibly high. Acting is 1st class. Directing is great.
Ah man, once you get to know and like a character, they go and kill 'em. The level of cruelty is very high in this one. What a world.
-Steve
Losing Characters...
Your HBO subscription should allow you to all the seasons if you have the On Demand feature...I think you should have that...
The total amount of characters offed in seasons 1-5 is I believe around 30-36...
The seven kingdoms is a very big world for a TV Drama...they do a great job developing all of them...As I have stated, this medieval fantasy realm is typically not my cup of tea...but damn the story telling is top notch...
Glad you liked it Steve, this series actually haunts me a little...
Thanks
Mark
"Your HBO subscription should allow you to all the seasons if you have the On Demand feature...I think you should have that..."
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On-demand gives me all of season 5 and then only a brief summarization on seasons one thru 4. Otherwise I'd have been all over the entire series.good stuff.
-Steve
Edits: 07/17/15
They are already taking preorders for season 5 on Ebay and Amazon !!!!
Very nice analysis for what is a complex topic.
There are five books in the series so far with a sixth and final volume still to be released. Having read them all, I'm wondering what the producers are planning for the sixth TV series since they've pretty much covered everything already. Yes, there's still some to be covered regarding Arya and Bron, but I don't think it'll be enough to cover 10 episodes.
Should be interesting to see what they come up with.
Joe
HBO knew how it was to end…
when they signed on to the project. Without the knowledge that they would be able to complete the story they would have never agreed to produce the series. As such, GRRM has already provided general outlines for HBO to use for their series while he supposedly completes the final two books. At least that's what I've read at several sites. And it makes sense.
I'm sure the final two seasons will deviate quite a bit from the final books, if GRRM actually completes them. That way there will be even more of a reason to buy the books, although I would expect that the final results will be quite similar.
Joe
Has a contract for next season, and was told not to cut his hair.
My prediction is that the various factions will have to unite to defeat the Whitewalkers. As much as they hate each other, they do want to survive, and none of them are strong enough alone to win the coming battle.
Best, Ross
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Supposedly the island that Stannis based his kingdom, has large amounts
Well...
Thanks
Mark
It is the most lavishly produced thing ever made for telebision. I was blown away after watching the first three or four episodes. Even the lead-in of the mechanical map is a work of art. Was this a simultaneous UK release along with our HBO?I have had the good fortune to begin and end the first five seasons in about three weeks. It is so great to be able to do that because I feel like I'm living it with them after three or four episodes a day.
My first big shock was the beheading of Bean! I had no idea they would have no compassion for likeable characters. I was on board with Dinklage being the best player from the beginning. He, Dance, Ari, the Hound, Emilia Clarke (and bosoms), and Bronn, have been my favorites. I really like Bronn's lower class-punk persona.
It takes some kind of crazy savant to construct such a fable of seven kingdoms, their politics, characters, and struggles to be homogenized into one sustainable plot. Bless'em.
The Red Wedding wasn't a big shock to me (other than taking out that many good guys at once) but the burning of Stannis' daughter was upsetting. Lot of good it did. No writer in his right mind could let that go unpunished.
The economics of this series is baffling. I wish it could go on for twenty years. We still have to pay Ramsay back.
Edits: 06/16/15
I have no idea how HBO does it...where does the money come from other more subscriptions...So far I have not seen the GOT lunch boxes or action figures...
After season 1 and they lop off Ned Stark's head...all bets were off...
One of my nephews devours books and has read everything up to date...when I was quizzing him about Ned Stark, he got this sly smile and said..."don't get too attached to ANY of the characters"...that is a big 10-4...
Peter Drinklage is hard not to like...notice how many times they will do a close-up face reaction shot...(I am putting money on you will see him flying a on dragon when they invade Kings Landing)...My Lion...
I really like Sam too...his getting laid scene was really funny..."oh my"...
Jonathan Pryce needs a little love too...his presents is just absolutely menacing...The High Sparrow...
I have a NEW grand Niece named Aria...slight change in spelling...she is STILL my odds on favorite for the Iron Throne...
One thing about this series, scenes that seem to not have any purpose as far as moving the story along, will eventually payoff...the Cobra Nymphs and Bronn jail scene...introduces the poison later used on Jamie's daughter...
The PC crowd is going insane with what transpired this season...fiction and fantasy be damned...
The opening credits and music have won Emmy's. The company responsible is called Elastic...My Maggies spit fire, (yes...pun), during the opening credits, for some reason the volume just goes up...must be a glitch in the rig...
I really hesitated about creating this post because there is just too much to talk about...scope and density I just have never experienced...or most of the world for that matter...
I really can't say that the writing is great...but the story telling is...wait for it...EPIC...aauurrrggg hate that word...
Now...a few questions and observations...
Will Jon Snow become a White Walker??? OR Be resurrected by the Red Witch???
Will are Ari's blindness awaken other "powers" within her???
Will Sansa be done being a victim??? AND Why was it left as a Cliffhanger...
When will Cersei Lannister and Ellaria Sand be face to face for the Mother of all cat fights??? NOT if...WHEN...
Where is Bron Stark??? He is not done by a long shot...
Olenna Tyrel has a few tricks up her sleeve yet...
When and How will Daenery's dragons be let loose? AND...Can you train a Dragon???
The average cost per episode is $6-Mil...Cersei walk of shame was $250K...Daernery's wigs are REAL hair and $7000 per wig...
The logistics of scheduling and shooting is just mind blowing...6 countries and 3 full time crews...of course shot non-sequentially...
Felling overwhelmed again...
thanks
Mark
As he most watched drama series on TV: ad rates must be enormous.
Plus sales on memorabilia and DVD's are tremendous.
The series can go on repeat and HBO has the exclusive, because of the nudity and violence, which keeps it automatically in HBO's domain.
They presell the past season's episodes on Amazon an Ebay......(i confess to buying them, too. and they sell a lot !!!!
and explain who the characters are in each scene along with their history and connections. I'm fresh off doing this to my son for episode 8(?) this season when he was in town for his birthday. Take Jamie Lannister, we could literally write paragraphs. I wonder what the future holds for him? His change from being totally despicable to, dare I say, near heroic, is nigh a 180 degree turn and, unlike most every drama where this takes lace (Revenge anyone?), makes sense.
To rate (at least partly) horror, Sci Fi, or Fantasy shows I use this measure -
Given the premise, does it make sense? For G.O.T., yes with a bullet!
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"E Burres Stigano?"
RW...I do not think I could do it...I have a couple of lengthy posts running here...and just skimmed it...
The Character Arcs read like an EKG...yes...you are right about Jamie or any of the "Main" or "Soon to be dead" or "dead" Characters...A Masters Thesis could be written about each player...
If is fun to talk about...not as much fun to type about...my dyslexia makes this allot of work for me...
Thanks again...
Mark
Excellent show.
As you pointed out, better production values than anything else on TV. Possibly the best done show ever.
That said, I bowed out after season 3. I got tired of the "shock and awe". It was just too intense, though I admit I do sometimes think of continuing watching it.
Jack
My wife and I comment on them often. They're fantastic down to the last detail. When one looks up the word, "Epic", the only necessary notation should be, See Game of Thrones.
We thoroughly enjoyed this season and, along with 4 friends with whom we watch ever episode on Sunday nights, can hardly wait til next April(?) for Season V to begin. Of course we will have us some True Detective starting next week to pass 10 weeks of that interminable wait with. Hopefully it can approach the greatness of Season I (anticlimactic ending and all).
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"E Burres Stigano?"
Thanks RW
I intentionally left out the word "Epic", (don't like the word), but it truly fits...the big set pieces are great...but the detail in the small sets is just outstanding...it is hard not to appreciate everything that is framed in each shot...
I enjoy the grit and grime, when applicable, nothing is ever too pristine...Castle Black is just that black...
The geography and climate of each of the 7 kingdoms, in itself are characters...here in MN...we are north of wall...nothing but White Walkers for 8 months out of the year...
thanks again...
Mark
Part of what I enjoyed about True Detective...it is shot old school with 70 mm FILM...yes that's right actual Film...last years TD felt like it was a 70's film...Dirty Mary and Crazy Larry like...
great job!
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