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After watching guardians of the galaxy 2 and that academy award nominated Africa fantasy, I stopped going to anything super hero. If I get some spooky tooth then I want a good science fiction that makes some sense. You have to be a serious fan boy and are familiar with the super hero genre to make any sense of the movies.
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Seeing these movies out of the designed context would be somewhat like getting take out from an expensive restaurant and eating it out of the cartons in a small car with plastic forks and knives.
People understand seeing a sporting event at home is a very different experience from attending the same event in person. Yet it is often assumed the viewing experience is directly interchangeable between home and theatre viewing.
The value of a communal shared experience and the human response it generates is not to be overlooked as a part of the enjoyment found in these movies.
I recently attended a friday night screening of the latest superhero product. The crowd was clearly excited to see the movie, lifting the mood of all, in anticipation of the event.
As the movie played, part of the crowd reacted with glee to fan boy stuff that I wouldn't have noticed myself, others laughed at humor few saw. i shared in all their experiences, just by being there. It's only human nature to want to share in happiness, and enjoyment is the shared goal for the entire crowd, finalized when one buys a ticket.
Much like when you approach a laughing group, you instinctively smile and are curious, wanting to know what is so funny, so you can join in .
if there is enough laughter, you also laugh before you even know what is so funny. it is contagious. The great jim baccus, the cartoon voice of Mr. Magoo and one of the castaways on gilligans island, made a recording that contained only laughter , no words, just a recording of a one man drinking party and his girl. He puts it over so well , you start laughing along, it's just so ridiculous
Everyone knows stuff is more enjoyable in a shared group experience. The movie I saw was product, very good quality product, but still product. The shared group experience, the famous thrill of the crowd , with the movie projected in a big, state of the art high quality house , lifted the experience , actually made the movie a lot of fun, and well worth attending.
I first noticed the effect with old W.CFields movies. I enjoyed them when I first saw the genius humor on TV. seeing the same old bank dick movie in a theatre had the place howling with laughter. internal enjoyment is a far cry from fighting for breath laughter during the same bank robbery car chase.
Judging these super hero moves, designed as a blockbuster must see event for a younger crowd with somewhat limited entertainment options, without considering the joy of a shared group event , is missing a vital part of the understanding needed to fully consider these movies.
...for 5 or 6 years, two of those I worked as a volunteer because that was the only way I could get in after tickets were sold out.The conferences/seminars were full of excited crowds that were well versed in every detail of the movies. It was contagious and drew me into the understanding of the flicks.You wouldn't believe how dedicated the fans are.Famous actors (like pee wee herman and Harrison Ford etc) were there and they appreciated the devotion.
I prefer top grade science fiction that is thought provoking ( though those are few and far between).
Thanks for the reply.I've never been to a comic convention, but happened to be near the airport when one was going off, and saw some of the female fans walking outside. Holy sexy costumes batman,it obviously takes an unusual level of commitment for a young woman to dress like a half nude comic book character.
I'm sure sitting at home watching captain avenger would bring some questions about what was the big deal, it is pretty forgettable , I had to look up the title, , but it is state of the art film making . I certainly didn't forget the fun things, or how well the movie went over with the crowd, me included.
A product with enough yank to bring in billions of dollars, and I probably saw it in the optimal presentation, a7;30 showing with a collage crowd on a friday night ,groups of friends, dates, that kind of thing.
. jude law is the villain, success requires a good one, and it does have a lot of space fiction, if not a lot of science. It is material from a comic book , fer christ sake. half a loaf is better than none, as the saying goes. I dig Sci fi, and the lead is going to be a lasting star. She's more than just a fashion model type, kind of a doris day spunky type that throws punches.
Most understand, that in a comic book, when a super hero gets in a jam, the writer just invents a new superpower. One, has to play along, same as a dracula movie, you don't kick when a guy turns into a bat, it is part of the deal. calling out the stupid is pointless, kills the story you intend to enjoy.
My favorite super guy used to be the flash, he and i could both run fast, that was good enough for me to buy a comic instead of my usual cheap toy. Well, he also had a costume that folded out of his wrist watch never exactly explained, who cared?
Would you believe a guy with no other super power except the ability to run incredibly fast escaped a blast inside a sealed windowless brick room, especially constructed to destroy him, that was completely demolished by the force of the explosion? believe it.
The trick was, he was so fast he was able to match his speed exactly to the concussion from the blast, as the brick molecules were torn apart , he was right there, close enough to run through the brick wall as it was deconstructed by the shock wave, but not so far back that he was hurt by the blast. I remember it, because i thought it a clever escape, for guy with limits, if you didn't think too carefully. Good enough for a child's comic book.
Have fun.
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Can I transport back to the 70's and see those great films as new again?
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
To exist. When are deranged groups going to stop packing their films with political statements to influence kids and overgrown kids?
How many Spidies have we had? They are resorting to animation to keep recycling the same old worn out shtick. It's all about vacuuming up money from each new generation.
When are the Harry Potter remakes coming?
I'm not getting in line. I'm patiently waiting for quality flicks to come along.
"to get in line" for any decent movie. I guess I'll have to buy an advanced ticket for 'Pets2'.
And wads of money corrupt absolutely. Last night I watched (or tried to watch)"The Last Witch Hunter," which had a decent cast, including no less a figure than Michael Caine.
Special effects overtook everything. SFX are the new chase scene, and logic or plot be damned.
The best line in the whole picture came from actor Joseph Guilgun, who told an assemblage of witches and warlocks, "you look like a terrible Eighties band."
Please send me all your money, before it's too late...
as long as they are minting money, there will be more coming down the pike.
I'm not exactly the target audience and I suspect nobody else posting here is either. I was a DC comics reader as a kid and still have some affection for the comics world. I don't make a point of seeing them, and don't usually care much for them, although the craft is clearly impressive.
I did like the animated Spiderman of last year for some pretty great animation.
I no longer consider them as a possible choice. I am afraid these all action-little content films are a indicator of what the general audience wants. Usually they have the best viewership numbers.
The audience gets what the flim makers give them.They want to be bedazzled, and with high hopes and ten dollars in their hot little hands they wait in line. The super hero phenomenon is not a defined genre at this point. Anything goes in the world of fantasy. I still keep a watch out for more creative film writing.
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There have been some studies that many people are so depressed by their day to day lives that these films fill the wish fulfillment fantasy of some Heroe coming in to save them. This for many is highly appealing.It explains Religion
It explains TrumpPeople want some savior because their life sucks. And while the savior is a fallacy - it gives them an immediate dopamine rush. Their problems get assuaged by rooting against the bad guy and the simplistic black and white good versus evil stories - and they carry that into their daily life.
That said I highly enjoyed Deadpool and Deadpool 2 probably because it makes fun of these movies and itself and they're both damn fun. And to me that's the point of going to these kinds of movies - they're supposed to be FUN.
And in almost all cases they aren't. Guardians tried but meh - and the DC films are generally a slog.
Wonder Woman - well 2 hours watching Gal Gadot is not too bad - not too bad at all.
But Black Panther - yawn.
But where is the fun - think back to the original 2 Superman films - they were funny. They had tongue firmly in cheek. The audience went along for the ride and for the most part enjoyed them as kids entertainment - but the new ones - dreary.
Except Deadpool. Granted they may be too raunchy and too violent for some but at least they make the effort to entertain.
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Hmm even in fantasies cultural differences matter , it seems. Our kind is good but not theirs.
Bill
Geez , Richard
Stop being "divisive" and respect democratic choices. Who's fault it is that you and your colleagues are churning out one idiot generation after another?
You should really be quiet, along with other "scholars' on this forum since you're just a servants, nothing more and it appears that you are failing (you in general sense of a profession and a member of so called educated class)
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You pretty much know me by now Wojciech and it amazes me that people who get so bothered by my posts click the link to see what I say and then get riled up enough to then comment.
I'm getting old enough and set enough in my ways now that I ain't going to change because some unknown forum person doesn't like my politics or religious views etc.
I initially replied to counter some of the points about democracy. Personally I always think of a democracy where if 100 people vote and one person gets 52 votes and the other person gets 48 votes the person who gets 52 should be the leader. So when that doesn't happen it's not exactly a beacon of democracy.
And when an educated person like me is told to shut up but the opinions of Ted Nugent and a University drop out so dumb that he failed EVERY course because he is a total abortion of a human being (Glenn Beck) gets to spout off to millions - well those are kind of hilarious perspectives to me.
Thing which amazes me is that nothing fundamentally changes with this or another figure head in the top command. Against all the hopes.. People made their choices and so far the only response from the " educated" is to shame or mob them into submission. It's not that your points are not valid or I would deny you your opinions. It's the hysterical reaction on the part of "graduates' who somehow feel cheated out of their place at the table makes me to somewhat support the other side.
Back to the topic , the whole American enterprise is mostly a mindless superhero movie to the point I'm no longer sure if Hollywood influences reality more than reality influences Hollywood.
warm regards, W
On that I agree. In a broken rigged system it doesn't make a huge difference who the puppet at the top is. But we can both say that when things don't directly influence our lives. If I am a woman who was raped and impregnated by an inbres madman I may very much care who is calling the shots. If I am an old man receiving meals on wheels I may care that that is cancelled for the president's golphing trips.
Some things matter.
In Canada less so. The Liberals or conservatives pretty much stay the course on the big issues. That isn't so in the US.
And the USA unlike Canada or Norway wields the big stick. It affects the planet not just itself.
Electing a total dumbass is freakishly dangerous.
they're just one regurgitation after another....
I'd get into it with you but it's not wise, nor fair, to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
When asking this question one might consider that the only market advantage hollywood still holds is CGI. Everything else can be done in a local studio, with local language and actors,
I don't have to mention the tremendous income generators these movies can be, nobody in any business would turn down that kind of cake.
I think those two factors will slow the pendulum of change.
was it p. t. barnum who said nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the american public.
I don't sweat it. Part of it is a senior discount makes a dud lees of a burn, but also I realize it is hard to make a good movie, no matter the type or budget. A big budget at least gives you something to watch, the money on the screen,when all else fails.
1- So there is a dedicated audience already existing for the movie before its made. It limits risk.
2- Unique scripts are hard to come by. They require original thinking, which is not common. Even so, they bring higher risk of failure to topics and scenarios that are out of the worn paths.
3- In these times, fantasy is popular. We are immersed in violence every day, with less than spectacular outcomes. Escapism is in high demand.
4- The comic book/superhero types almost guarantee sequels, like the original comics do, if the original risk paid off.
5- People always opt for the boring and familiar, rather than taking a chance. There's a McDonald's on every other corner in America.
6- High cost of movies keeps makers locked into what was previously successful.
I don't see a break coming, even if people do tire of the same old, same old. At least not from North American industry.
...most superhero flicks are easier to make acceptable and inoffensive to foreign audiences, esp China.
And Seth Rogan, who is not even a good comic actor IMHO.
The scripts are easy to write, and they don't require much acting skill, and they bring in the bucks.
Sick to death of comic book movies.
"To Learn Who Rules Over You, Simply Find Out Who You Are Not Allowed to Criticize."
-Voltaire
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