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In Reply to: RE: "YOU admitted that cost was a major (I say THE major) consideration" - I haven't forgotten... posted by Jazz Inmate on December 05, 2007 at 21:10:09
... as mtrycrafts, it's about HOW you sell it. Face it dude, you and he have similar styles and you both push your biases relentlessly.>>> "I don't care if you support blu-ray or not." <<<
Folks, get out of the way of his nose, that snorter should be growing like a Chia-pet.
>>> "I do care if you pretend capacity and audio are not important characteristics and try to lie about price being your most important concern after you pretty much already admitted it." <<<
Never said price wasn't a factor, but it was N-E-V-E-R my first consideration. I don't give a rat's patootie what you think, but for those who haven't kept pace with this ongoing debate it's always been films of interest which come first and foremost, at least with me.
As for capacity and audio, the issues of capacity and lossless audio will be resolved just like they were with standard format DVD. The fact that Blu-ray has greater capacity isn't important as far as viewing movies in high definition unless there are observable differences between the two formats with Blu-ray appearing noticeably better or the space is utilized for enhanced content of interest to consumers.
>>> "...ZS isn't a detail oriented person..." <<<
True, but like you he's a single-minded cheer-leader and devoted fan-boy for his format of choice.
>>> "I've already told you, if HD DVD had greater capacity, that's the format I would have adopted." <<<
Fine, I'm glad that you enjoy Blu-ray, and I've never criticized you for your choice. My issue with your attitude is that you leave no room for others choosing HD-DVD for the reasons that we select that format, not to mention the fact that some of us get tired of looking at those blue pom-poms all day long! ;O)
The bottom line: You either accuse folks of being foolish because they don't share your capacity concerns, or accuse them of being cheap because they consider price and value or you call them liars when they tell you that their favorite movies are offered only on HD-DVD, and that there aren't enough films of interest being released on Blu-ray.
>>> "...whereas your decision to adopt HD DVD can't be explained by logic. You're the format fanboy and I'm merely an advocate for choosing greater capacity..." <<<
I'm not going to call you a liar, but you've condemned yourself by your own words. Please don't bring advocacy down to your fan-boy level, because advocacy implies intelligent, rational discourse and acceptance of the possibility that things may not be as black and white as you'd like them to be.
I've stated many times that I don't have a dog in this hunt and discuss both formats fairly even though HD-DVD is the only format in our home currently, but you've been waving your tattered chartreuse pom-poms with prissy abandon for months around here (before this format war is over I'll wager that you'll have ratcheted things up to flaunting a feather boa! -grin).
Note: While price wasn't a major factor with my selecting HD-DVD, the discrepancy in price between HD-DVD & Blu-ray hardware could be a factor when it comes to return on investment (bang for buck), but I am still considering a dual format player at some point if it handles both formats efficiently enough.
>>> "...Michael Bay and Stephen Spielberg..." <<<
LOL! Need I say more? OK, I will! Karnac the Magnificent question: "Who directs movies as deep as a kiddie pool and as flawless as paste jewelry?"
BTW, I've read Bay's comments linked from that site, and you should read some of the responses. Rodney Dangerfield would've felt respected after reading those posts. ;^D
Cheers,
AuPh
Edits: 12/06/07Follow Ups:
Just so you're aware (although I don't know how you've managed to miss it during your entire online experience) snake-oil is what naysayers like mtrycraft accuse audiophiles of pushing. So congrats. You are proving yourself even more like mtrycraft with each successive post.> > Never said price wasn't a factor, but it was N-E-V-E-R my first consideration. < <
Obviously it was. You went for the cheaper product. Another mtrycraft-ism.
> > I don't give a rat's patootie what you think, < <
Obviously you do.
> > but for those who haven't kept pace with this ongoing debate it's always been films of interest which come first and foremost, at least with me. < <
You have shown great interest in the spidey and pirates trilogies. So obviously the "films of interest" yarn is not accurate either.
> > As for capacity and audio, the issues of capacity and lossless audio will be resolved just like they were with standard format DVD. < <
That sure seems eye-poppingly inaccurate, too.
> > Fine, I'm glad that you enjoy Blu-ray, and I've never criticized you for your choice. < <
Another inaccuracy! Man, ZS AUPHL, you're going for broke.
> > My issue with your attitude is that you leave no room for others choosing HD-DVD for the reasons that the select that format, < <
I leave plenty of room. It's just that none of you have been able to cite reasons for your choices without filling the room with complete nonsense. When you can't even admit that capacity is an important issue in HD media, most of the logic is drained out of your position. You dispense with the rest by admitting that you don't care about audio! And the weird thing is that you seem proud of that.
> > The bottom line: You either accuse folks of being foolish because they don't share your capacity concerns, < <
How can you even evaluate the formats without acknowledging capacity as a critical issue? Of course you're foolish to ignore it.
> > I'm not going to call you a liar, but you've condemned yourself by your own words. Please don't bring advocacy down to your fan-boy level, because advocacy implies intelligent, rational discourse and acceptance of the possibility that things may not be as black and white as you'd like them to be. < <
There's no grey area here. Blu-ray has a 50-gig capacity. HD DVD has a 30-gig capacity. High def A/V files are big. Lossless high def A/V files are bigger still. Capacity is therefore an important concern. These are facts.
> > I've stated many times that I don't have a dog in this hunt < <
ANOTHER inaccuracy! You're financially and emotionally invested in HD DVD and your posting history proves it. If you don't like being called a liar, the best thing you can do is stop lying.
> > BTW, I've read Bay's comments linked from that site, and you should read some of the responses. Rodney Dangerfield would've felt respected after reading those posts. < <
Well, what about your response? Are you just going to ignore what a filmmaker says about the formats? Obviously, Bay knows what film looks like. He knows what HD DVD looks like and what blu-ray looks like. Are you going to ignore these facts and join the idiots who are insulting him, even though they lack the experience or requisite viewing to discount his observations?
Use your head for a moment. What's Bay's motivation? He has financial incentive to say good things about HD DVD. His blockbuster film is out on HD DVD and he is signed to a studio not releasing BDs at the moment. So what's his motivation to say Blu-ray is better? The only reason I can think of is because that's what he has observed. If you don't have a better explanation or observations from other industry insiders that counter Bay's, you may want to consider the distinct possibility that capacity does play a role in quality when it comes to HD.
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"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > "...snake-oil is what naysayers like mtrycraft accuse audiophiles of pushing." < < <
Snake oil is snake oil; mtrycrafts didn't originate the concept, he just exploited it as you have exploited misconceptions of Blu-ray's superiority based on one factor which has thus far been proven negligible.
> > > "Obviously it was. You went for the cheaper product. Another mtrycraft-ism." < < <
You are full of Shinola or rather what you think is Shinola. If you choose to ignore the facts as I've stated them then that's your own problem.
> > > "Obviously you do." < < <
Nope, I just care about correcting inaccuracies that mislead other folks. You took my comment out of context. I guess you lack the 'capacity' for telling the truth. ;0)
> > > "You have shown great interest in the spidey and pirates trilogies. So obviously the "films of interest" yarn is not accurate either." < < <
More baloney; I only mentioned those titles in passing and then only in the context of possible dual format releases. Other films were of greater interest to me and those I listed earlier.
Well, I could go on correcting your deceptions, but why waste my time and that of others on this forum.
Regards,
AuPh
> > More baloney; I only mentioned those titles in passing and then only in the context of possible dual format releases. Other films were of greater interest to me and those I listed earlier. < <
More lies. You gushed about them repeatedly on the film forum. Do I need to dig up your posts to remind you?
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
... but what has that to do with placing either series at the top of my HD-DVD want list? There are other films which hold as great or greater interest for a film collector such as myself. Certainly you will find at least as strong reviews from your's truly associated with John Carpenter's The Thing (if you bother to look), which I consider closer to John W. Campbell's original story (written under his nom de plume Don A. Stuart) than the 50's cold war version. Furthermore, I've always held the highest regard for classics such as Forbidden Planet and Casablanca.Before calling someone a "liar" maybe you should get all of your ducks in a row and your own prevarications organized! ;^D
> > > "Do I need to dig up your posts to remind you?" < < <
Please do, but while you're at it maybe you should also dig up all of the positive comments I've made in respect to John Carpenter's The Thing for comparisons sake (since The Thing is one of the HD titles not available on Blu-ray).
Ciao,
AuPh
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