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In Reply to: RE: it's officially over posted by Joe Murphy Jr on February 19, 2008 at 00:13:27
unless it comes to KEKL.
Follow Ups:
If you want a clear example of poor sportsmanship just check out Bluray.com. You'd think the second coming of Christ just occurred. I think they are more obsessed than Toronto Maple Leaf fans (a Canadian thing).
It was beyond frustrating to be told for months on end such lies as capacity doesn't matter, that Microsoft has a vested interest in seeing optical formats fail, that PS3 sales didn't matter, that Blu-ray sales didn't matter, etc. etc. I hope the moderators over at AVS take a good hard look at how they treated the Blu-ray adopters and insiders compared to the HD DVD camp, because frankly it was inexcusable and I lost all respect for that forum. It had long ago reached the point where people were getting banned and having threads deleted for making valid observations and posting news items. Blu-ray.com does have its immature denizens, but any vehemence against HD DVD adopters is by and large well deserved. We see a little of that here with guys like Audiophilander dumbing down the dialogue.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
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Your post says it all.
Jack
Because I agree with most of what Jazz said.
There have been nutcases on both sides, but my opinion is that the HD DVD side was a bit nuttier. It's really sad when you can't have a discussion or an argument among fellow enthusiasts/professionals without childish insults from the "ignorant" crowd. What's worse is when moderators have a bias/preference (not that that's bad, as everyone is entitled to their opinion), only to blatantly let it show. Why do you think most of the Blu-ray insiders left AVS Forum? Because they didn't get their way? Far from it. The real reason was because Microsoft mercenaries were allowed to run rampant and uncontested, and when corrected, cried "foul" and were given their way like spoiled children who take their ball when the game doesn't go their way. * That's a fact, regardless of who says otherwise. It wasn't like this at first, but the last year and a half was sickening. When someone posts a comment that's blatantly false and the person that corrects them with verifiable proof gets a warning or a suspension from a moderator, things have gotten far beyond "out of control". I recently exchanged some PMs with a current moderator re: the sad state of AVS. He told me that there are many members there who he would like to ban, but basically, his hands were tied. That should give you an idea as to which way the wind blows with the upper management. Neutral? Ya must be jokin', mon!
True story. A little over 2 years ago, I made a comment about lossy vs lossless audio on AVS Forum. A Microsoft employee sent me a PM questioning why I would post what I did and used video compression as the basis for his argument. The problem was that his analogy was faulty and he really didn't know enough about video compression or the bitrates of uncompressed video. After I helped him understand where he was wrong, I asked him some non-A/V related questions. In his subsequent responses, I think he revealed a little too much company info. It's a long story, but the bottom line is that the Microsoft employee "infestation" on A/V message boards (running alongside High Definition optical disc introduction) was a directive from none other than Bill Gates! Watching what was developing on several A/V forums armed with that interesting bit of info, it was no wonder why Blu-ray/HD DVD developed into the mess that was the format war.
* Microsoft, once the closed-door talks with Warner Bros went south: (knowing things weren't going their way) We'll provide VC-1 support only if you promise to supply us with future download content. See, the children did turn out just like their parents. Someone once said that there was a unique "culture" at Redmond. Close. It's actually more like a virus -- ebola.
and they accepted the judgement.
They used illegal monopolist business practice.
I am pleased to see that Bill Gates now tries to make amends by giving the crime money away.
Please note that Microsoft's biggest(turnover) center outside USA is in Denmark, I am not bashing USA, only Microsoft.
If Microsoft swallow Yahoo, they will get stomach ache, and empty pockets. (evil :-))
Furtunately USA have IBM, Google, apple, firefox, Linux and many others offering better software.
And after EU forced Microsoft to open files, they can compete.
see link
- http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/microsoft-concedes-complies-with-eu-antitrust-ruling/ (Open in New Window)
posts. Good thing you do.
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You and the lawyer can have fun trying to see irony in my position. The fact is that the criticisms of Blu-ray were specious and the criticisms of HD DVD were significant. Instead of simply acknowledging that, the HD DVD adopters CHOSE to engage in character assassinations and all manner of ignoring basic facts about the format specs, sales and studio support. That observation is not personal attack (and therefore not ironic). It's an accurate assessment of what set the stage for bad blood on various forums where the formats were discussed. Even now that HD DVD will clearly go the way of the dodo, there is no hint of apology or even a "maybe you guys were right all along" from any of you HD DVD admirals, like Auph. In fact, he seems more intent than ever on screaming insults from the bow of his sinking battle ship. I would say it's unbelievable if I wasn't witnessing it first-hand.As for sad, I am the happiest camper on the forum right now, I guarantee it. So please save your pity for Auph and the other HD DVD adopters who got burned.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
Things in life are rarely as black and white as you portray them.Jack
When a 20 gig disparity in capacity is declared unimportant and audio quality is declared unimportant, studio support is declared unimportant and sales are declared unimportant, something beyond "grey area" is going on there. It's called mass hypnosis or delusion.
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It's perfectly accurate.
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If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have, but I'm not overly upset about it. My Toshiba player cost less than $200 and came with 10 free discs. It is a superb up-sampling DVD player, and many DVDs played with it can be almost as good as the average HD programming I get on my TV. I just purchased a number of HD DVDs for half-price, most at less than half the price of the Blu-Ray version if it exists; one doesn't even exist on Blu-Ray. I'll now wait until there is a standard for Blu-Ray, which there isn't now. At some point there will be a standard and prices for a quality player will be quite reasonable, and then I'll get one. I fully expect I'll get my money's worth out of it, so you don't have to feel sorry for me at least.
Joe
No biggie IMHO. They can still enjoy what they bought or are renting.
So much better than the usual "big bad Sony is making my four kids and three cats go without dinner for the next three months because Blu-ray players cost so much and now I gotta buy one because they killed the better format so Sony sux sux sux" hate posts we usually get around here.
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