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(IE: remember the Flintstones)Anyway I have a LARGE DVD collection going on 500 DVDs... :)
What is THE BESTEST of all BESTEST DVD Players for Smooth Motion,
"Depth of Field", Color Saturation, and Sharpness?Two minor must haves:
1) Must be black (Sorry Esoteric comes in silver only)
2) Must be under $8,000And I don't want to hear OPPO. They Suck in the Audio Section.
No OPPO Martyrs please!! Please spare me..
My Suspects are:Krell DVD Standard
Linn Unidisk 1.1
Meridian G98
Denon 5910CIVery odd that I am finding quality of "Motion" to be a huge factor.
Some DVD Players display Motion smoother than others.. I have A-B'ed
players and notice that some players "blur" the motion. (Using same
Display and Same Cables)((I currently own a Krell DVD Showcase and a Denon DVD-2930CI.
The Krell is sharper with better colors but the Denon has MUCH smoother
motion))
Remember: Black CASE and under $8,000Thanks!!!!
Edits: 01/04/09 01/04/09Follow Ups:
I have no idea what those megabuck DVD players look like, but my old Toshiba HD A20 looks magnificent to me when playing ordinary DVDs! Let the player scale them to 1080i and connect via HDMI. The last, top-of-the-line player was the HD-A35, currently available used for peanuts.
As a bonus, there are still some HD DVD titles which aren't available as Blu-Ray, and they too sell for peanuts.
(IE: remember the Flintstones)
Anyway I have a LARGE DVD collection going on 500 DVDs... :)
What is THE BESTEST of all BESTEST DVD Players for Smooth Motion,
"Depth of Field", Color Saturation, and Sharpness?
Two minor must haves:
1) Must be black (Sorry Esoteric comes in silver only)
2) Must be under $8,000
And I don't want to hear OPPO. They Suck in the Audio Section.
No OPPO Martyrs please!! Please spare me..
And I don't want to hear OPPO. They Suck in the Audio Section.
No OPPO Martyrs please!! Please spare me..
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Despite the fact that you don't want to hear OPPO (OK, actually BECAUSE of your biased, anti-OPPO rantings), here's a recent review of the BDP-83. The review discusses the audio sections in some detail:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0609/aachapter116.htm
Jim
In my experience,the quality of the DVD explains far more of the variance in PQ than hardware. Some DVDs look like Blu rays on my Marantz BD player.
but I want to see the player that beats the $350 Panny DMP55 for DVD PQ. How much does it cost?
"E pur si muove...And yet it moves"
...I just settled on a Toshiba XD-E500KU upconverting 1080p DVD player (to use with a Sony XBR5 LCD HDTV) until that grand poobah.
After getting a good one (some were soft, or flakey with sync), I'm a happy watcher. With HDMI it works to sharpen , color and contrast enhance. Does a nice job of making standard DVDs look like cinema. I only use it for DVDs.
It can be had ~$100 on sale at big box stores.
Very slick black with "XDE" logo (that can be turned off).
Haven't seen anything to better the Denon 5910 (or DVD A1XV as it is is the UK) and mine hasn't even been upgraded to provide 1080p.
After waiting for a Blu-ray player to hit the scenes which matches the SD performance, it's pretty clear that although some have 'very good' SD replay - the Denon Blu-ray players seem to be best unsurprisingly - the 5910 might now never be bettered as the emphasis is put on Blu-ray playback.
Therefore I'm keeping the 5910 for DVD playback and will get the best Blu-ray player within my budget. Makes things a lot simpler.
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
OPPO fanatics seem to Control the "DVD Players" forum.
I asked the same question over there and got flamed and insulted
by 10 or so OPPO lovers who didn't like the fact that I disliked
OPPO Products.
I asked about 3 times for the discussion to be about the differences
of the LINN, Krell, and Meridian and they kept pushing OPPO and flaming
me.
Then after I got a bunch of more insults like "stick where the sun
doesn't shine", my thread was canceled and I got an infraction..
I don't feel like there is a lot of integrity on AVS-Forum from
either the posters whom insulted me OR by the Moderator whom canceled
my thread and gave ME an infraction.
SO BEWARE... There are a lot of OPPO fans who manipulate AVS-Forum.
Ask questions about NON-OPPO products and you will be flamed and
hassled. In fact I suspect many of these OPPO fans are really employees
of OPPO whom pose as owners to persuade people buy OPPO.
Very sad how that board is manipulated. And the dishonesty that goes
on over there..
Hello,
I am in complete agreement about AVS. They are completely biased towards their sponsors. Utter a negative word about OPPO or Emotiva and watch your post disappear. It makes me sick.
Cheers,
JJ
There is no doubt the AVS owner is extremely protective of the advertisers. I suppose I can see that, if my living depended on it. I doubt a print mag would print "articles" whose sole purpose was to lambaste a current advertiser. Or maybe they would?? Anyway, there are always other places to go to vent your frustration. :)I have gotten away with criticising advertisers' products on AVS, but I do it by also saying something very good about them. It's never happened to me that I've bought a total POS, just wouldn't happen, but I am extremely critical of all the gear I have and can always find plenty of picky things I don't like after some experience. I am more bothered by people on AVS who don't see or refuse to acknowledge flaws in equipment, it's all "perfect" and flawless until they replace it with something "more perfect".
OPPO is great value for what they do (though they really only have 2 models now). Many of us consider DVDPs and BDPs totally disposable. Easily technically surpassed by something a few years newer that often costs less. Though many are loathe to admit it, and don't even check around/compare in case they find out the truth. A decrease in build quality is the likely downside though. DVDPs/BDPs/AVRs are the last places I'd sink much $$, they are so quickly shuffled off to irrelevancy. Spend $500 on a BDP, marvel at how good it looks for so "cheap", and throw it out after a year for the next greatest thing...keep doing this for 16 years and enjoy your $8k gradually. What you'd have after year 16 would make a total technical joke of what you would have bought in year one if you spent all that $$ up front (think VHS vs BD in the current context). Just one opinion... But I suspect you don't care about the cost, and I am a cheapskate. :) Actually, I'm sure a smart man like you can easily make $500 clear a year on $8k so the upgrades would always be "free".
Emotiva is a weird case. The two people I know who bought their amps returned them. You sure won't read much of that on AVS. And that's a problem, because people might get the idea they are audiophile-quality multi-channel amps for dirt cheap. Yes, some people actually think that will happen, the probably typical AVS member whose whole system costs less than $8k never mind just the DVDP. And for many on AVS, it's obvious Emotiva is their first experience with separate amps. All crticism of Emotiva is done by PM IME. It is fine enough stuff if installed in an AV closet (NOT in your listening room!) and what you mostly care about is volume. Not for the sophisticated quality music lovers, and to be fair I don't think the manufacturer suggests it for that, it's more the owners who tout it and you have to really consider their background/experience.
Edits: 04/17/09
I got an infraction hit over there too, for criticizing region locking on Oppo's new Blu-ray player in the main Oppo thread after the complaint thread was unceremoniously closed down. The AVS forum set up a thread just for folks to discuss the issue long before the BDP-83 was officially released, but they only kept it open for about a week (shutting it down long before the player was available so that the criticism would scroll away), then no further discussion of the imposed region locking on standard DVD or BD was allowed on the site.
The reason for this is pretty obvious: just look at the banner on the AVS site (Oppo is a featured advertiser).
Don't get me wrong, I like Oppo players (especially the DV-983H) and personally I can't fault the audio section, but you should have a right to ask questions and set the parameters when asking for advice.
AuPh
With all the "sales pitch" type OPPO praise on my thread which was clearly
focused on 3 other very highend products, I TRULY believe that there are
OPPO employees posing as "regular OPPO owners" on AVS-Forum who are
replying to NON-OPPO posts to try and convince people to buy OPPO instead.
I had like 10 different OPPO fans flame me inside of 10 minutes.
That's a real scam if you ask me and totally dishonest.
Audioasylum and Audiogon are full of helpful people who lend advise
with a common goal. (unlike AVS-Forum)
Of course, the fact that you "truly believe" that Oppo employees are responsible for the pro Oppo balance of the Oppo discussion strings doesn't make it so. For example, I "truly believe" that many of the anti-Oppo notes are posted by owners of high-priced components who don't like to hear about Oppo components being substantially as good as theirs in many respects. But the fact that I "truly believe" it doesn't make it so either.
Let me suggest that anyone considering a Blu-ray player, and/or an upconverting DVD player and/or an SACD player read the reviews of the soon-to-be-released BDP-83 which have been posted, and those which will appear in the next few months. - Or are all the reviewers Oppo shills also?
Jim
I have to disagree about Audiogon. If you manage to post one comment or idea that goes against the accepted wisdom in a thread, the mods will not permit you to post again in the same thread.
Maybe this is true.. I haven't run into any issues on the
asylum or audiogon. I post when I need A vs B opinions and
people are always great. On AVS it's "OPPO is the best and
if you don't agree we will flame you to death".
Tom80112, you must have had better luck than me on A'gon! I have had posts censored more than once, when the content of what I wrote clearly disagreed with the nonsense being spouted by the majority opinion. My posts were not rude or insulting, just factual...and contrarian.
Hope you get your DVD player recommends in this thread.
What are you going to feed the DVD player to re: audio and video?
480I component Sony XBR CRT and Krell 400xi Int amp.
I have the Krell DVD Showcase and it's pretty good but
I am looking to see if there is better out there.
Did the bashers and oppo shills at AVS know that your display can only handle 480i?
...the Arcam FMJ DV27 would be a good choice; it is cheaper than and video quality is better than Esoteric/Krell/etc. Plus, it does a beautiful job converting PAL to NTSC for foreign films, and can be made region-free using the remote control; whereas most of the more expensive models you've mentioned are region-locked.
hello
i use a sim audio moon calypso, with all the options it retailed for about $5,500 cdn and is black. it has a highly detailed picture with rich colours. it has 480p and 480i component outputs(with bnc connectors), also dvi and sdi. also a very decent cd player as it's analog section is identical to a moon equinox cd player. analog and digital have seperate power supplies and the digital can be turned off completely, very usefull on concert dvd with stereo pcm tracks.
thanks
bill
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