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In Reply to: RE: 'T-34': Russia's Mark Wahlberg takes on the Panzer Corps posted by Billy Wonka on October 09, 2020 at 14:40:22
From a WWII Russian perspective, damn right Nazis are evil and Russians are saints.I think we could use another tank flick. "Fury" was good by highlighting the crew; 'tank drivers are people too' perspective.
I hope this one doesn't go all Justice League.
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I know Brad H., who 'drove' one of the Shermans that ended up getting destroyed.
He loved making this movie and we talked about it for a while. But he got MAD at me when I suggested he probably had to be surgically removed FROM the tank when shooting was done.
He is a BIG guy and former NFL player....But claimd 'plenty of room' inside......
Too much is never enough
reminder.
A couple decent references for you:
"Meeting the Enemy: A Marine Goes Home", Suel D Jones,
"On Killing, The Psychological Cost ...", Dave Grossman.
Both ex-mil. Suel is a friend. Grossman taught this class at West Point. As a former medic, I've seen enough PTSD to not buy into the John Wayne war format. Now-a-days, every other person I pass has it. I feel the vibe. The glory thing helps bury the monster no one wants to look at.
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One sided or both, there was enough preceding malice, stupidity, and cowardice to allow the lowest form to occur. A compete failure of humanity. Imo, feeling just about that doesn't fit.
Just saying "just war" is like Himmler's "final solution".
Fortunately for you, there are people who feel differently.
First rule of martial arts - don't start it. Lucky for us that's taught, no?
Lack of justification is on the offense.
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"When many people are killed, they should be mourned and lamented. Those who are victorious in war should follow the rites of funerals. Those who defeat others are strong, those who defeat themselves are mighty." Lao Tse
"White Tiger" is also awful, but still, better than the subject.
Think of Moby Dick totally dumbed down for the current dumb Russian audience.
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I have to confess - I watched it again after this discussion, and even though my general impression remained the same, it did receive some softening.
The key is to treat it not as a war film, but as an allegory... it then begins to make some sense. Overloaded with stinking soviet propaganda, but still whole lot better, than that T-34 crap.
I understand... we are truly splitting a turd here... :)
They used actual T34 tanks in filming "White Tiger". That alone got my attention. Understandably, the German Tiger tank was a replica. The film definitely had some flaws but overall wasn't completely terrible. But then I like tanks and films about them.
Just watched 'Vlad the Impaler' on Prime and was fascinated by its POV. It was a Turkish film explaining that Vlad was all but a devil hiding behind a Christian facade. Never mind the save Christendom Jazz, this Sultan-raised miscreant was a bad egg from birth. This might be the most realistic portrait of a king who would impale people for chuckles. Not recommending the film, mind you.
Considering impaling was perfected by the Ottomans - the skill demanded excellent knowledge of internal anatomy. Skilled impaler will avoid perforating all major organs, thus preventing the quick death. The goal was for the victim to suffer for days before dying slow and agonizing death.
"Vlad--- the inhaler!"
Thank you so much! One of the books I read in my youth contained a very detailed scene, that I still recall in my nightmares from time to time.
I always want to forget it... so I hardly needed yet another reminder! :)
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A book by a Russian author Pikul.
Interesting. So many great Russian writers we in the West never heard of. Not long ago I discovered Leonid Andreyev ...he is as good as anyone.
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